CMC's Potential New Contract - Discussion

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/running-back/

Only two out of the top 10 were in the playoffs.

Overpaying one running back does not guarantee success in this current NFL.

CMC isn’t just a running back. He’s a playmaker with a ton of uses. This coaching staff is just drooling at the many ways they can use CMC.

It’s sad this fanbase has been brainwashed by Rivera into thinking CMC’s only use is pounding it up the middle.

This asinine, stupid notion a team find their franchise QB before any contracts are given out or before any studs are paid/drafted is completely baffling to me. I’m not sure where the stupidity came from. Teams in real life have not or don’t do that...so where did it come from? Madden?

Ideally you want to pay pieces in place before your qb is to be paid.

I really have no idea where this huddle logic comes from, or the logic of CMC is just a RB don’t pay him comes from,  kind of embarrassing if other teams read it tbh

[lightsout]

11 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

His contracts going to be ridiculous.  

 

6 years 102m with incentives to make it 110m total.  35m fully guaranteed,  with another 20m in other guarantees. Total money, guaranteed money, yearly average will definitely be over Elliott's 90m, 50m guaranteed,  28m fully guaranteed and 15m average. Could even come close to Thomas deal in NO, 20m per season. 

 

Just brace yourself cause this ones gonna be nuts. 

 

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

How would we potentially lose him?

Read the first quote. CMC is gonna cost us heavily. You want to keep a player like CMC, but if the numbers don't line up, it's business. It all comes down to how strict CMC's agent will be with us and what our roster and cap situation look like at that time. Tepper is a business first kind of guy. If it doesn't make financial sense and if signing CMC means not paying other guys who are essential, you have to cut the fat somewhere on the books. And CMC's contract will almost certainly be the definition of fat.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, lightsout said:

 

Read the first quote. CMC is gonna cost us heavily. You want to keep a player like CMC, but if the numbers don't line up, it's business. It all comes down to how strict CMC's agent will be with us and what our roster and cap situation look like at that time. Tepper is a business first kind of guy. If it doesn't make financial sense and if signing CMC means not paying other guys who are essential, you have to cut the fat somewhere on the books. And CMC's contract will almost certainly be the definition of fat.

I meant for this season 

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8 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

I am all in for signing Christian McCaffrey to a lucrative long-term second contract this offseason if it doesn't wreck our rebuilding process However,if it looks like that would be the case put the signing off until 2021.

Imagine back-to-back 1,000/1,000 yard seasons. And nearly having one in 2018. If we sign him in 2021, that number is going up. If we do it now, we might not sign some guys that we should. Then if we lose games due to not having good enough talent elsewhere, the coaching staff starts feeling pressure, the team obviously suffers, and we're all left trying to find something to blame.

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I meant for this season 

 

Just now, lightsout said:

Imagine back-to-back 1,000/1,000 yard seasons. And nearly having one in 2018. If we sign him in 2021, that number is going up. If we do it now, we might not sign some guys that we should. Then if we lose games due to not having good enough talent elsewhere, the coaching staff starts feeling pressure, the team obviously suffers, and we're all left trying to find something to blame.

 

[TheRumGone]

15 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

If we extend him, this pretty much spells the end of the Cam Newton era in Carolina in my opinion. You don't win games with a high price RB AND a high priced QB. We extend CMC, we most likely ship Cam out and roll with a cheap QB this year or draft his replacement. Either way keeps a low cap hit at the position with the highest salary and provides said young cheap QB with a great weapon to utilize for years to come. 

It becomes resource allocation at that point. 

Yup. Hope it works out if they decide to go this direction. Cause if Cam goes elsewhere and thrives while cmc being the centerpiece behind losing seasons and taking more hits in a year than cam did his entire career it’s gonna get ugly for panther nation quick. 
 

if the panthers were smart, they’d wait a year to see where Cam is instead of jumping the gun on this. Doesn’t seem like the direction were headed though. 

[bobsfoodbasics]

stop overpaying and overdraftting rbs if you want to win in this league.

 

[TheRed]

11 minutes ago, onmyown said:

CMC isn’t just a running back. He’s a playmaker with a ton of uses. This coaching staff is just drooling at the many ways they can use CMC.

It’s sad this fanbase has been brainwashed by Rivera into thinking CMC’s only use is pounding it up the middle.

This asinine, stupid notion a team find their franchise QB before any contracts are given out or before any studs are paid/drafted is completely baffling to me. I’m not sure where the stupidity came from. Teams in real life have not or don’t do that...so where did it come from? Madden?

Ideally you want to pay pieces in place before your qb is to be paid.

I really have no idea where this huddle logic comes from, or the logic of CMC is just a RB don’t pay him comes from,  kind of embarrassing if other teams read it tbh

How many of the teams in the playoffs this year were paying a running back QB money?

San Fran has arguably the most dominant well rounded roster aside from KC and they are running over teams with multiple backs, none of which are on historic contracts.

[Ship]

I think you have a guy like CMC in the playoffs you can go all the way. But the question is whether we’ll have a playoff team around him in time? 
 

Also, speaking of a CBA, do we think it’s better to get a deal done under the current CBA or wait til a new one comes? I have to think you try and do it now because the new CBA will only get more friendly to players. Plus, as we see year after year, getting deals done ahead of schedule usually makes it cheaper in the long term. The market continues to rise every year in the NFL. CMC under a deal made this year probably looks pretty good in 3 years from now.

I agree CMC is the franchise player and he’s a guy you keep in your building. His attitude is rare. What sucks is he’s not the same guy at a ‘high value position’. It’s too bad, but hopefully with good team building over the next couple years and innovation on offense we can get back to the playoffs fast. Gotta wonder what the state of the NFCS is like in 3 years- no Brees, Saints rebuilding, Falcons could be crashing a year or two from now if Quinn fails and Matt Ryan will be getting up in age. Bucs are yet to be in contending mode and if Arians can get them there it’ll take another year or two. If we build right we may be hitting the sweet spot for another run of dominance in terms of team life cycle.

[Real1zOnly]

Im cool with re-signing him, but I wouldn't offer anything crazy. Make him the highest paid RB but don't overdue it.

 

[onmyown]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

How many of the teams in the playoffs this year were paying a running back QB money?

San Fran has arguably the most dominant well rounded roster aside from KC and they are running over teams with multiple backs, none of which are on historic contracts.

QB money? That’s 30-35/year now days. Probably even higher at a fast pace. How much is Elliot and Gurley making? 15/year?

CMC has been used as a RB...but isn’t an RB. He can easily be a top slot receiver. A top RB/WR for 15-17/ year? Yes, that’s how it works.

Dumbfounding people complain of not having weapons but will find any argument in the world to not pay one of the best weapons in NFL history.

[bobsfoodbasics]

this thread clearly illustrates who on this forum is actually an intelligent nfl fan who knows what it takes to win in the nfl, and those who don't really care about winning as much as feel good stories.

[blackcat]

Signing McC or anyohe really means you can draft a QB and pay them nothing for 5 years......

[Paa Langfart]

First off I love CMC and his style of play.  Dude works his ass off for every yard he can get.  But this team made a mistake several years back by giving huge contracts to " star " running backs only to have it back fire and hurt us for years.  Stew was always one play away from another  foot or ankle injury and Delo just got fat and lazy with his millions.  Please do not do this again.  I'd rather test the market and see what other teams might give for him while he is still healthy.  Might as well take  the pain of losing all our favorite players in one off season and be done with it.