The staff as we know it...

[pantherclaw]

21 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Pretty young staff so far, some signs just keep on pointing toward a full and total rebuild.

Strap it on gents.

Should have been expected by ALL whom were wanting a coaching change, and by anybody else once Rivera was fired. 

[Bronn]

Old school defense, new school offense. Sounds like progress.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

Should have been expected by ALL whom were wanting a coaching change, and by anybody else once Rivera was fired. 

I remember quite a few folks saying before Rivera was fired some version of “I would rather suck for a few years if it meant getting us out of this never ending mediocrity.” I was one of them. I’m still fully willing to suck for a while. What will be interesting is how many of those folks are willing to stick with it vs how many will bail at the first sign of awful under the new regime.

[pantherclaw]

10 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I remember quite a few folks saying before Rivera was fired some version of “I would rather suck for a few years if it meant getting us out of this never ending mediocrity.” I was one of them. I’m still fully willing to suck for a while. What will be interesting is how many of those folks are willing to stick with it vs how many will bail at the first sign of awful under the new regime.

As with any wholesale coaching changes, patience must be exercised. The problem with that, is fans aren't very patient.

After all, Little is already a bust.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I remember quite a few folks saying before Rivera was fired some version of “I would rather suck for a few years if it meant getting us out of this never ending mediocrity.” I was one of them. I’m still fully willing to suck for a while. What will be interesting is how many of those folks are willing to stick with it vs how many will bail at the first sign of awful under the new regime.

Richardson wasn't. He was ready to fire Rivera two years in before Marty fell on the sword.

Also worth remembering that we've got additional incentive to hope this stuff succeeds given that our head coach doesn't believe in firing assistants.

[Mr. Scot]

As far as Rhule, I'm fully expecting a couple of years worth of suck. Don't have a problem with that.

What I'm gonna be looking for is signs of progress. Do we look like we're getting better? If so, we're fine. If not, that's a concern.

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson wasn't. He was ready to fire Rivera two years in before Marty fell on the sword.

Also worth remembering that we've got additional incentive to hope this stuff succeeds given that our head coach doesn't believe in firing assistants.

Meh. I’m retaining some healthy skepticism about that “I don’t believe in firing coaches.” line. Let’s see if he still feels that way if his seat gets warm in a few years. Might suddenly have a change of heart.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Meh. I’m retaining some healthy skepticism about that “I don’t believe in firing coaches.” line. Let’s see if he still feels that way if his seat gets warm in a few years. Might suddenly have a change of heart.

Outside of being ridiculously successful from day one, I don't really think it's a sustainable model, and I'd like to believe he's going to figure that out.

The other alternative, of course, is that Tepper steps in and fires people for him. That's not exactly an ideal scenario either.

[mc52beast]

Like they say in New Orleans....
 

 

WHO DAT??   

[UNCrules2187]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To a point.

Remember when everybody went nuts trying to find the next Sean McVay while the Colts instead smartly hired Frank Reich?

NFL front offices are often notoriously unimaginative, tending to run with the idea that whatever worked for the last team that had success is sure to work for them too, even if they don't see the bigger picture.

Like I said, hope like hell it works out, but I have concerns. And yeah, I'd feel a lot better with an experienced NFL head coach on staff.

Ah yes, Frank Reich, he of the *checks notes* 18-16 overall HC record. 

And before you say Luck retiring has an effect on that record, yeah, duh. Luck also had more to do with that 10-6 record in Reich's first year too.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Ah yes, Frank Reich, he of the *checks notes* 18-16 overall HC record. 

And before you say Luck retiring has an effect on that record, yeah, duh. Luck also had more to do with that 10-6 record in Reich's first year too.

What's the record of the other guys?

Outside of Matt LaFleur, it ain't good.

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Why did you only shorten “WVU” and not any others? 

why did you quote that entire OP to ask such a simple question? 

[UNCrules2187]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What's the record of the other guys?

Outside of Matt LaFleur, it ain't good.

Other guys being Matt LaFleur (who you noted, went 14-4 and had a postseason bye) and Zac Taylor who, yes, went 2-14, but for a team that was clearly tanking and now has the #1 pick and in line to select who could be the next generational talent at QB? Who else is there? And to be fair, all of these guys, McVay included, are actually part of the Shanahan coaching tree.

edit: And if you include Kliff Kingsbury, he's also an NFL HC rookie that was working with a rookie QB. Bottom line, if you're expecting anything more than 4-5 wins this coming year (especially if Cam is gone), you're expecting too much, and I'm willing to bet that'd be the case whether we hired a college HC or a veteran NFL coordinator. There is simply not enough talent on this team short-term.

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, mjligon said:

Outside of Rhule and Brady that’s a whole lot of meh

You sound like the guy in high school that went after the popular girls with loose gaping holes because collectively they are considered attractive and popular by everyone, yet you pass up the cute quiet girl with glasses that wears a sweater that ends up being smoking hot and a great personality, and didn't have 50 dicks pounding her brains out. 

 

all coaches need a starting point. All great coaches were brand new at one point, no names buried on a staff.  Sometimes a "name" or what looks good "on paper" ends up being old and rotten. We have a lot of new, young, unproven blood that could end up developing into quite the innovative staff we need. 

 

I think we should give Rhule the benefit of the doubt, and see if he can start and build his own dynasty off of his own risks and intuitions.