Corona Virus

[stirs]

14 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Using the swedish model how do you account for asymptomatic carries who may affect "vulnerable" citizens? 

Their model is close to what I was trying to discuss a couple weeks back.

Basically, you quarantine the vulnerable, protect them, and the rest of society operates cautiously.  Big paraphrase

Long article, but worth the read

[4Corners]

49 minutes ago, stirs said:

You are ax grinding again

No it’s not. I’m using examples, with documents to support my argument. 

[stirs]

3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

sweeden has a total population of 10 mil that hibernates half the year... it would be a disaster in a country thats 35 times bigger.

Did you read the article?

[stirs]

1 minute ago, 4Corners said:

No it’s not. I’m using examples, with documents to support my argument. 

Supposedly, not the venue to make that argument, but whatever, I don't want to get banned again

[Tbe]

48 minutes ago, stirs said:

I have tried "discussion" on this thread before, to little success, but lets try again.

I questioned our approach early on, so let's talk about this one.

In the end, will the Sweden model, rather than the lockdown model be better suited for the US?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/

Yeah, let’s get the political name calling out  of here.

Back to discussion...

Considering everything we didn’t know, the lockdowns made sense.

A total economic and social lockdown is not sustainable though. We need a plan to mitigate the risk as much as we can for when people go back to work.

[stirs]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Yeah, let’s get the political name calling out  of here.

Back to discussion...

Considering everything we didn’t know, the lockdowns made sense.

A total economic and social lockdown is not sustainable though. We need a plan to mitigate the risk as much as we can for when people go back to work.

Sweden is not a politically explosive as the US, so they can be more pragmatic in their approach.  At least that is my thought

Here, we do not prepare, overspend when it is going on and when over, and use political fear as our guidance.

[philit99]

4 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Yeah, let’s get the political name calling out  of here.

Back to discussion...

Considering everything we didn’t know, the lockdowns made sense.

A total economic and social lockdown is not sustainable though. We need a plan to mitigate the risk as much as we can for when people go back to work.

One side note, I think a bunch of businesses will continue to use the model that they are forced to use today. We could be saying good bye to the brick and mortar store fronts, and hello to the work and learn at home models for business and school. I know that doesn't apply across the board but some businesses may adopt the model that forced them.

Edited April 9, 2020 by philit99

[Tbe]

Interesting graphic. It looks like Covid is now the leading cause of death in the US

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1853362/

[4Corners]

11 minutes ago, stirs said:

Supposedly, not the venue to make that argument, but whatever, I don't want to get banned again

I don’t understand this. How can you not talk politics in a thread about Coronavirus. Politicians themselves are talking about it. The personal attacks is what they need to look out for not civil differing opinions. 

[Icege]

1 hour ago, stirs said:

I have tried "discussion" on this thread before, to little success, but lets try again.

I questioned our approach early on, so let's talk about this one.

In the end, will the Sweden model, rather than the lockdown model be better suited for the US?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/

No thank you on the Swedish model.

Data below:

Population of Sweden: 10.23M
Swedish COVID-19 cases: 9,141 
Deaths: 793
Percentage of infected: 0.09%
Death rate: 8.7%

Population of US: 327.2M
USA COVID-19 cases: 434,861 
Deaths: 14,814
Percentage of infected: 0.13%
Death rate: 3.4%

Population of Italy: 60.36M
Italian COVID-19 cases: 139,422
Deaths: 17,669
Percentage of infected: 0.2%
Death rate: 12.7%

Population of South Korea: 51.47M
SK COVID-19 cases: 10,423
Deaths: 204
Percentage of infected: 0.02%
Death rate: 2%

Population of Germany: 83.02M
German COVID-19 cases: 113,296
Deaths: 2,280
Percentage of infected: 0.14%
Death rate: 2%

Population of New Zealand: 4.794M
NZ COVID-19 cases: 1,239
Deaths: 1
Percentage of infected: 0.03%
Death rate: 0.08%

Best-to-Worst Infection Rates:
1. South Korea
2. New Zealand
3. Sweden
4. USA
5. Germany
6. Italy

Best-to-Worst Death Rates:
1. New Zealand
2. Germany/South Korea 
4. USA
5. Sweden
6. Italy

 

I'd much rather we had followed South Korea's model, but that required early and frequent testing which the administration went out of their way to prevent. New Zealand is worth looking into, despite being a remote island nation. Australia has similar percentages, and both nations are closer to the epicenter of the pandemic. 

[philit99]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Interesting graphic. It looks like Covid is now the leading cause of death in the US

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1853362/

That is heart breaking. I hope that trend ends in the next couple of days. So many families are grief stricken.

[4Corners]

5 minutes ago, philit99 said:

One side note, I think a bunch of businesses will continue to use the model that they are forced to use today. We could be saying good bye to the brick and mortar store fronts, and hello to the work and learn at home models for business and school. I know that doesn't apply across the board but some businesses may adopt the model that forced them.

Agree with this - there are going to be some positives that come from this, and I think the flexibility and open mindedness that companies need to have for their employees will be one of them. 

[Tbe]

4 minutes ago, philit99 said:

One side note, I think a bunch of businesses will continue to use the model that they are forced to use today. We could be saying good bye to the brick and mortar store fronts, and hello to the work and learn at home models for business and school. I know that doesn't apply across the board but some businesses may adopt the model that forced them.

I still think there are ways brick and mortar can adapt to lower the risk. Require masks. Limit the # of customers in the store, setting up shopping appointments, putting cashiers behind plastic, etc. It’s doable for many businesses. 

[philit99]

Just now, 4Corners said:

Agree with this - there are going to be some positives that come from this, and I think the flexibility and open mindedness that companies need to have for their employees will be one of them. 

It will not be because we asked for it, it will be for business continuity purposes! LOL