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We owe Matt Khalil 10 mill in dead money


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Hernaiy has about 40 million in dead cap this year, its got to highest in history.

Before anyone comes in here and starts defending him "he didnt sign those players.....Luke surprised everyone....blah blah".

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF DEALS HERNIAY worked his "magic" on and pushed the problem down the road......Turner, Olsen, Luke, Kalil some more than once. Herniay kicked the can down the road and now the panthers have it blowup in the face, fire Marty.

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9 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Hernaiy has about 40 million in dead cap this year, its got to highest in history.

Before anyone come in here and starts defending him "he didnt sign those players.....Luke surprised everyone....blah blah.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF DEALS HERNIAY worked his "magic" on and pushed the problem down the road......Turner, Olsen, Luke, Kalil some more than once. Herniay kicked the can down the road and now the panthers have it blowup in the face, fire Marty.

Kalil was signed by Gettleman. 

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6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And Hurney did nothing wrong regarding Kalil’s contract. 

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

Carolina has altered the big-boned contract of starting left tackle Matt Kalil, converting a $10 million option bonus into a signing bonus, according to a report by Field Yates at ESPN. If you were hoping the move would create some cap savings for the cash-strapped Panthers, you’ll be disappointed.

Apparently, this doesn’t change the amount Kalil gets or save any money, but it does guarantee he’ll be on the roster in 2018.

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I’m also kinda getting on the we are gonna tank this season train. We are gonna off load a bunch of dead money this year and move forward. 
 

I have no idea what we are gonna do with Cam, but having Hurney stick around say good job to Herbert doesn’t sound good for cams future here

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

Carolina has altered the big-boned contract of starting left tackle Matt Kalil, converting a $10 million option bonus into a signing bonus, according to a report by Field Yates at ESPN. If you were hoping the move would create some cap savings for the cash-strapped Panthers, you’ll be disappointed.

Apparently, this doesn’t change the amount Kalil gets or save any money, but it does guarantee he’ll be on the roster in 2018.

I’m totally unfamiliar with what you’re talking about. Nor did I at any point raise the same exact point and get in an argument about how I was right about the same point almost a year later because someone couldn’t read(nor wanted to admit they were wrong).

c’est la vie

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

Carolina has altered the big-boned contract of starting left tackle Matt Kalil, converting a $10 million option bonus into a signing bonus, according to a report by Field Yates at ESPN. If you were hoping the move would create some cap savings for the cash-strapped Panthers, you’ll be disappointed.

Apparently, this doesn’t change the amount Kalil gets or save any money, but it does guarantee he’ll be on the roster in 2018.

  Exactly. It didn’t save, nor cost us anything more than the 25M Gettleman gave him. With a 20M dead cap hit, he was guaranteed to be on the roster no matter what. 
 

  Is there something in there that shows Hurney made a mistake? I’m not seeing it. 

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1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

I’m totally unfamiliar with what you’re talking about. Nor did I at any point raise the same exact point and get in an argument about how I was right about the same point almost a year later because someone couldn’t read(nor wanted to admit they were wrong).

c’est la vie

And for a year I’ve asked you to show me any evidence that Hurney cost us one penny with any move he made regarding Kalil.  And you haven’t. I said Sportrac was wrong before it happened, and they were. Would you like to go to that thread where I said all this. To you. Before the option was even picked up. 
 

  It was 10M in 2018, or 10M spread over 3-4 years. Nothing more simple clause I can show at any time. And its all that matters. 
 

  Show some proof or run away like you always do. 

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10 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And for a year I’ve asked you to show me any evidence that Hurney cost us one penny with any move he made regarding Kalil.  And you haven’t. I said Sportrac was wrong before it happened, and they were. Would you like to go to that thread where I said all this. To you. Before the option was even picked up. 
 

  It was 10M in 2018, or 10M spread over 3-4 years. Nothing more simple clause I can show at any time. And its all that matters. 
 

  Show some proof or run away like you always do. 

I was gonna be polite and not point out it was you, was gonna let bygones by bygones and what not. 
 

there are not one but 2 threads where I discuss the same exact thing with you and spell it out line by painstaking line. You simply refuse to accept any of the points I raise in circle back around to your previous notions without recognizing anything I’ve said.

an argument with you will go absolutely nowhere, Because you refuse to accept any information that is counter to your previously held belief. Pretty sure there’s a term for that from my old psychology class if someone’s willing to help me out there. But that’s you.

I ain’t arguing this further, go read the last two threads if you’re still foggy on it. I see no point in catching myself in this loop again.

 

and I didn’t run away, I simply raised the same point I just did that you constantly ignore anything that doesn’t help your argument. You’re a completely lost cause. Like I said there are 2 threads now of us discussing this if you’re still so fuzzy and wish to revisit. I mean are we really going into all of this again? Not this time.

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