Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

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3 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

To add on, those 50 less interceptions posted by Wilson are a huge difference. The kind of difference that can make it break a career.

Edit so I don't get attacked: I am a huge Cam fan. Own the jerseys, loved him coming out of college, relentlessly argued for him over Luck. But I have the awareness to admit he is not the best passing QB out there.

I am too. But man people on here talk about HoF, He's better than 31 other QBs in the league, etc.. its crazy and counter productive. Move on. 

[stratocatter]

I saw something in the Wilson stats vs Newton stats that stuck out. It illustrates why I am not a big believer in statistics, or should I say maybe the use of them to make arguments and rankings.

 

it stands to reason that with a QB getting so many carries, his team would have fewer RBs totaling 1000 yards in a season. Especially when the RBs are committee which we have done a lot of before C Mac.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

29 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Passing Yds: Wilson
Passing TDs: Wilson
Completion %: Wilson
Passing Rating: Wilson
Rushing Yds: Newton
Rushing TDs: Newton

Excuses listed in Post: 4

Pretty much what I thought. Cam is a great rushing QB and an avg passer at best. Also Its interesting you used Wilson's playoff passing completion % but used Newton's regular season completion %. It should be 64.5 (Not 62.3) to 59.6. And no the highest completion percentage in a year does not got to Cam. Russel Wilson completed 68.1 in 2015. And it's telling you keep hanging your hat on that one season. To that point... Cam has NEVER had a passing rating 100 or more in a season. Wilson's CAREER QB Rating is over 100. So stop getting mad about what is fact and move on. 

Interesting you spike your football over Wilson's passing yardage when they per game numbers break down to virtually identical, actually slightly favoring Cam. Yep, my fault on mixing up the playoff vs. regular season numbers. Tough bouncing between screens trying to compile data that someone else refuses to do. That "one season" was the only season Cam actually played in a passer friendly system. Shula's offense required him to constantly make the toughest throws a QB has to make - contested downfield passes. 

I'm not arguing that Cam is a better PASSER than Russell Wilson. Honestly, I don't think he is. But, as an overall QB? It's a helluva lot closer than you're willing to admit.

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1 hour ago, rico6 said:

Tony G, Julio Jones, His Offensive Line, Turner, Shanahan's kid, Michael Turner >>>>>>>> anything Cam has ever had in his entire tenure here. EVER.

idc what you stupid homers says Tony Gonzalez might be a prick but he >> Greg Olsen any day of the week.

First Tony G played 5 years in Atlanta, he was on the end of his career. He never had a 1000 yd receiver year in ATL. But he had 5 before he got there.  Also... Ryan's stats are way better after he left.. same with Turner. And I didnt know Kyle Shanahan played WR? Olsen was no slouch either. He probably would have had better numbers if he has a better passer. And Cam played with Steve Smith for 3 years. Lastly the Falcons have had one of the worse O Lines in the NFL the past 4 years. Look at how many sacks we get against them. Man do your homework. 

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3 minutes ago, Bytes said:

First Tony G played 5 years in Atlanta, he was on the end of his career. He never had a 1000 yd receiver year in ATL. But he had 5 before he got there.  Also... Ryan's stats are way better after he left.. same with Turner. And I didnt know Kyle Shanahan played WR? Olsen was no slouch either. He probably would have had better numbers if he has a better passer. And Cam played with Steve Smith for 3 years. Lastly the Falcons have had one of the worse O Lines in the NFL the past 4 years. Look at how many sacks we get against them. Man do your homework. 

Tony G, Julio Jones, Roddy White, HArry Douglas, Turner were present when Matt got drafted in 2008, stop fuging shifting the goalposts. 

That group is infinitely better than anything Cam's had ever. And ATL's OL has been amongst the best for years, ESPECIALLY in comparison to the Panthers.

Your intellectual dishonesty regarding the discussion is clear as crystal. 

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10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Interesting you spike your football over Wilson's passing yardage when they per game numbers break down to virtually identical, actually slightly favoring Cam. Yep, my fault on mixing up the playoff vs. regular season numbers. Tough bouncing between screens trying to compile data that someone else refuses to do. That "one season" was the only season Cam actually played in a passer friendly system. Shula's offense required him to constantly make the toughest throws a QB has to make - contested downfield passes. 

I'm not arguing that Cam is a better PASSER than Russell Wilson. Honestly, I don't think he is. But, as an overall QB? It's a helluva lot closer than you're willing to admit.

Waste of time unless you are bored. He is the classic, "I don't like Cam but will refuse to admit that is the case and defend my dislike for him intensely." 

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Tolbert's answers conveniently ignore Cam lied to the coaches and staff about his injury. There's only so much that can be done in those circumstances.

But I do think that Cam did that because he felt like so much of the team & even his coach's job relied on his play. That's on the team for reaching that point.

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5 minutes ago, rico6 said:

Tony G, Julio Jones, Roddy White, HArry Douglas, Turner were present when Matt got drafted in 2008, stop fuging shifting the goalposts. 

That group is infinitely better than anything Cam's had ever. And ATL's OL has been amongst the best for years, ESPECIALLY in comparison to the Panthers.

Your intellectual dishonesty regarding the discussion is clear as crystal. 

Tony G. and Harry Douglas were not on the team when Mat got drafted.  Ryan has been the most sacked QB in the league the last 3 years running.

So was Steve Smith and Olson when Cam came in the league. Stop making excuses for Cam. His numbers are who he is. Your intellectual ineptitude is crystal clear and your emotional clinging to Cam is crystal clear. 

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Tony G. and Harry Douglas were not on the team when Mat got drafted.  Ryan has been the most sacked QB in the league the last 3 years running.

So was Steve Smith and Olson when Cam came in the league. Stop making excuses for Cam. His numbers are who he is. Your intellectual ineptitude is crystal clear and your emotional clinging to Cam is crystal clear. 

You can't question anyone else's intellectual abilities while showing zero logical consistency yourself and displaying the grammatical abilities of someone who never graduated high school. Just sayin'...

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Interesting you spike your football over Wilson's passing yardage when they per game numbers break down to virtually identical, actually slightly favoring Cam. Yep, my fault on mixing up the playoff vs. regular season numbers. Tough bouncing between screens trying to compile data that someone else refuses to do. That "one season" was the only season Cam actually played in a passer friendly system. Shula's offense required him to constantly make the toughest throws a QB has to make - contested downfield passes. 

I'm not arguing that Cam is a better PASSER than Russell Wilson. Honestly, I don't think he is. But, as an overall QB? It's a helluva lot closer than you're willing to admit.

No they do not actually favor Cam. They are literally identical. Furthermore Russel has FORTY FIVE MORE TDS AND FORTY LESS INTS. On what planet is that comparable? are you going to really saying if 2 players have the same yardage, player A has 5 % better completion rate, 45 more TDs and 40 less INTS and more .5 yards attempt better than player B is comparable????  And you said that Cam single completion percentage was better than any single season completion rate that Wilson had. Which is completely false.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You can't question anyone else's intellectual abilities while showing zero logical consistency yourself and displaying the grammatical abilities of someone who never graduated high school. Just sayin'...

You not 10 minutes ago made up some crap , made false statements and you want to talk to me about intellectual abilities? Now you all gretchen grammer on me too? You gonna resort to that?  I'll put my degrees up to yours any day of the week. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Bytes said:

You not 10 minutes ago made up some crap , made false statements and you want to talk to me about intellectual abilities? Now you all gretchen grammer on me too? You gonna resort to that?  I'll put my degrees up to yours any day of the week. 

I made a simple error when compiling data while switching between screens. See, that's the difference between someone like me and someone like you. If I make a mistake, I'll own up to it. I don't try to move the goalposts all over the place in an exercise of mental gymnastics.

Don't pretend like you have any degrees from any reputable institutions of higher learning. Please, just stop. 

[Jaxel]

Also the best wide receiver Wilson has ever played with is Doug Baldwin... It's not like they have surrounded him with weapons through out his career either.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Bytes said:

No they do not actually favor Cam. They are literally identical. Furthermore Russel has FORTY FIVE MORE TDS AND FORTY LESS INTS. On what planet is that comparable? are you going to really saying if 2 players have the same yardage, player A has 5 % better completion rate, 45 more TDs and 40 less INTS and more .5 yards attempt better than player B is comparable????  And you said that Cam single completion percentage was better than any single season completion rate that Wilson had. Which is completely false.

No, they're literally not. Cam has a 2ypg advantage which is exactly what I stated - slightly favoring Cam. Someone who had decent education would understand that is absolutely not "literally identical".