Matt Rhule wants to win

[top dawg]

18 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

Yes he was a Miracle. 

He was an undrafted free agent that we signed for nothing and took us to the Superbowl and a second NFC championship game. 

 

That's a Miracle. 

That he wasn't signed by someone else.

That he didn't just retire and take a regular job before he got to us.

Again you guys bring up outliers.

And there were specific reasons they slid that far.

 

Ben, Brees, Rodgers, Montana, Marino, Fouts, etc. were not top 10 picks, and they are hardly outliers. Even Russell Wilson wasn't really an outlier, as all the signs were there point ing to him being a great QB. Brady was really the only outlier I've mentioned.

My man, @Jon Snow has the more compelling argument. Can we trust Marty to find that QB? There's plenty of skepticism. The only thing I can think of is to say after the Pickles screw up, it was rumored that we were going to double dip after Cam with Wilson. Or, Hurney does have a decent first round history. That's all I got! It's something. Oh, and yeah, we have Rhule and Brady to guide Hurney's hand.

[SizzleBuzz]

19 hours ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Well, I know three PSL Owners...

3?  LOL.

That is so funny...

[SizzleBuzz]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

 Even Russell Wilson wasn't really an outlier...

That's quite funny too!

[Mother Grabber]

12 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

How many have won Super Bowls? I think there’s 10 guys that won with their original team and started. Hell Brady’s won 6 himself, he was drafted to be a backup.

A post from a couple of weeks ago in a thread about the same topic. Seems that its still relevant...

Here's the list of every QB to play in the last 20 Superbowls, and their draft position.

Patrick Mahomes #10
Jimmy Garoppolo #62
Jared Goff #1
Tom Brady #199
Nick Foles #88
Matt Ryan #3
Peyton Manning #1
Cam Newton #1
Russell Wilson #75
Joe Flacco #18
Colin Kaepernick #36
Eli Manning #1
Aaron Rodgers #24
Ben Roethlisberger #11
Drew Brees #33
Kurt Warner Undrafted
Rex Grossman #22
Matt Hasselbeck #187
Donovan McNabb #2
Jake Delhomme Undrafted
Brad Johnson #227
Rich Gannon #98
Tony Banks #42
Kerry Collins #5

As you can see, Tom Brady being a late round pick is not a unique occurrence. In fact, you have an equal chance to see a single-digit pick as you do a bottom 100.

We have 4 #1 picks, 1 #2, 1 #3, and 1#5, for a total of 7 QBs picked in the top 5 to make the last 20 Superbowls, and only 4 more total picked in the rest of the 1st round. On the other side we have 7 players close to pick 100 or higher, with an additional 5 picked outside of the 1st. So, the NEED for a QB in the top of the first is fool's gold. Based on numbers, it's 50-50 as to if your QB is anywhere in the first round vs the rest of the draft, much less the top 5.

The point of this is that you don't need to jump on any one QB, or waste an entire season to get the guy at #1 next year. There's always a new crop of QBs every year, and one will be at our 1st round spot in the next year or two, wherever that may be.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

3?  LOL.

That is so funny...

Yeah, I don’t go to games like I used to. How is that funny though? I don’t live in Charlotte. I live in Durham. Lol. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

16 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

A post from a couple of weeks ago in a thread about the same topic. Seems that its still relevant...

Here's the list of every QB to play in the last 20 Superbowls, and their draft position.

Patrick Mahomes #10
Jimmy Garoppolo #62
Jared Goff #1
Tom Brady #199
Nick Foles #88
Matt Ryan #3
Peyton Manning #1
Cam Newton #1
Russell Wilson #75
Joe Flacco #18
Colin Kaepernick #36
Eli Manning #1
Aaron Rodgers #24
Ben Roethlisberger #11
Drew Brees #33
Kurt Warner Undrafted
Rex Grossman #22
Matt Hasselbeck #187
Donovan McNabb #2
Jake Delhomme Undrafted
Brad Johnson #227
Rich Gannon #98
Tony Banks #42
Kerry Collins #5

As you can see, Tom Brady being a late round pick is not a unique occurrence. In fact, you have an equal chance to see a single-digit pick as you do a bottom 100.

We have 4 #1 picks, 1 #2, 1 #3, and 1#5, for a total of 7 QBs picked in the top 5 to make the last 20 Superbowls, and only 4 more total picked in the rest of the 1st round. On the other side we have 7 players close to pick 100 or higher, with an additional 5 picked outside of the 1st. So, the NEED for a QB in the top of the first is fool's gold. Based on numbers, it's 50-50 as to if your QB is anywhere in the first round vs the rest of the draft, much less the top 5.

The point of this is that you don't need to jump on any one QB, or waste an entire season to get the guy at #1 next year. There's always a new crop of QBs every year, and one will be at our 1st round spot in the next year or two, wherever that may be.

Patrick Mahomes was traded a first rounder for, so, should we do that? Since that kid is already a HOFer? you can go so man routes with this. 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

That's quite funny too!

If you look at what Wilson was able to do during his collegiate career and the amount of success he had---really before and especially after he took the route of believing in himself and transferring to show his wares---all the signs were there that he'd be a great QB. A myopic-visioned NFL culture and "brain trust" (more like mistrust) decided that Wilson was too...short to be a legitimately successful, face-of-the-franchise type of QB in the pros. 

Sure, there's a certain amount of hindsight here, but really the signs pointed to him being a success! And that's exactly what he is.

[SaltnPepper]

49 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

A post from a couple of weeks ago in a thread about the same topic. Seems that its still relevant...

Here's the list of every QB to play in the last 20 Superbowls, and their draft position.

Patrick Mahomes #10
Jimmy Garoppolo #62
Jared Goff #1
Tom Brady #199
Nick Foles #88
Matt Ryan #3
Peyton Manning #1
Cam Newton #1
Russell Wilson #75
Joe Flacco #18
Colin Kaepernick #36
Eli Manning #1
Aaron Rodgers #24
Ben Roethlisberger #11
Drew Brees #33
Kurt Warner Undrafted
Rex Grossman #22
Matt Hasselbeck #187
Donovan McNabb #2
Jake Delhomme Undrafted
Brad Johnson #227
Rich Gannon #98
Tony Banks #42
Kerry Collins #5

As you can see, Tom Brady being a late round pick is not a unique occurrence. In fact, you have an equal chance to see a single-digit pick as you do a bottom 100.

We have 4 #1 picks, 1 #2, 1 #3, and 1#5, for a total of 7 QBs picked in the top 5 to make the last 20 Superbowls, and only 4 more total picked in the rest of the 1st round. On the other side we have 7 players close to pick 100 or higher, with an additional 5 picked outside of the 1st. So, the NEED for a QB in the top of the first is fool's gold. Based on numbers, it's 50-50 as to if your QB is anywhere in the first round vs the rest of the draft, much less the top 5.

The point of this is that you don't need to jump on any one QB, or waste an entire season to get the guy at #1 next year. There's always a new crop of QBs every year, and one will be at our 1st round spot in the next year or two, wherever that may be.

You guys are frustrating. 

We don't have the luxury of waiting and hoping to strike gold with a QB.

Do you know how many things have to go right to find one of those later picked guys?

A lot of those that were found later they already had a franchise QB and these guys were picked as fliers.

We have zero championships to rest our hat on. And we don't have a Bledsoe or Farve currently sitting here winning games.

So no, we don't have the luxury of waiting for someone to fall in our lap.

Especially if you realize that for someone to fall into a 10-6 wild card teams lap everyone in front of us has to miss him.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

We don't have the luxury of waiting and hoping to strike gold with a QB.

Do you see every Luck or Russell on that list?

Not every #1 overall QB makes it to the big dance. 

 

[SaltnPepper]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Do you see every Luck or Russell on that list?

Not every #1 overall QB makes it to the big dance. 

 

I understand that. But still plenty are better than average. 

Bartkowsky and Vick being two examples. Alex Smith wasn't terrible. 

 

I just think the less you control who you can pick the worst spot you're in.

I think the odds of Trevor, Justin and Trey all being busts is very very low.

Not that one can't bust but for all three?

See I'm a have a shot kinda guy.

As long as I have a shot at something there's a chance. If it doesn't work out for me it doesn't work out.

I much rather take a shot on one of those guys than sit around for 8 years at 7-9 11-5 like normal. Just playoffs isn't good enough. 

[Jeremy Igo]

#1 Picks = 4

1st Round = 8

Later than first round = 12

 

Yet some here say the only way we go to a Superbowl is with the #1 overall pick. 

[Mother Grabber]

13 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

You guys are frustrating. 

We don't have the luxury of waiting and hoping to strike gold with a QB.

Do you know how many things have to go right to find one of those later picked guys?

A lot of those that were found later they already had a franchise QB and these guys were picked as fliers.

We have zero championships to rest our hat on. And we don't have a Bledsoe or Farve currently sitting here winning games.

So no, we don't have the luxury of waiting for someone to fall in our lap.

Especially if you realize that for someone to fall into a 10-6 wild card teams lap everyone in front of us has to miss him.

we're frustrating because we deal with facts instead of how we feel it should be done? 

The point of that list is to show that we do have the luxury to pick a QB when it suits. We don't have to blow a season to try to get the #1 spot. Only half of the QBs to be in the last 20 Superbowls were picked in the first round. Only 4 were #1 picks.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

#1 Picks = 4

1st Round = 8

Later than first round = 12

 

Yet some here say the only way we go to a Superbowl is with the #1 overall pick. 

Yes! Love the outliers argument, always the best. Jimmy G went to a Super Bowl, so, should we try to build a stacked roster and have an average QB? Is that what you want? This is why we can’t have nice things. People wanting to win games in a rebuild year. Sigh. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

we're frustrating because we deal with facts instead of how we feel it should be done? 

The point of that list is to show that we do have the luxury to pick a QB when it suits. We don't have to blow a season to try to get the #1 spot. Only half of the QBs to be in the last 20 Superbowls were picked in the first round. Only 4 were #1 picks.

Only half? So you’re better off drafting a first round QB, than hoping for one in the later rounds? That’s the most no poo Sherlock thing ever.