Seeing Walker makes me see Teddy's limitations too

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Apparently, those two guys are just a wee bit more successful than Teddy Bridgewater at GW drives so I kind of doubt they are checking it down constantly to the RB and forcing 60+ yard FG attempts. 

Bridgewater isn't anywhere near as clutch or as successful as those guys, and I'm not suggesting that he is or that he will be.

The point is that some people have their priorities wrong.

I feel like if we were watching Ali - Foreman, A lot of fans on here would be pulling for Foreman because he was more exciting fighter. But exciting doesn't mean Jack if you can't also be consistent.

[MasterAwesome]

37 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

It’s not like Teddy has a winning record this season. The “conservative” play of Teddy is most mind-numbing when during the several potential game winning drives this year Teddy continued to throw check down after check down to the running back, letting the clock bleed down where we were left with failed 60+ yard field goal attempts. 

I felt like I saw more of the same during PJ's final drive at the end of the first half - short quick passes and check downs to the middle of the field.  Teddy is known to be a very conservative QB so I've chalked that up to his limitations, but I'm not so convinced that this isn't at least in part due to Brady's learning curve in implementing an efficient 2-minute offense.

[Mr. Scot]

38 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Well considering that Football is an entertainment product I would like some excitement in my winning and not being bored to tears and frustrated when Bridgewater is playing. But you appear content with boring mediocrity so you do you. 

How many fans do you hear after a loss talking about it being okay because "hey, at least it was exciting"?

Winning is exciting. How it's done is meaningless.

[raleigh-panther]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We're running a West Coast Offense. It's designed to stretch the field horizontally, same as the Saints do.

And who gives a sh-t if it's boring if it wins football games? do you hear any Saints fans complaining that they wish their offense was more exciting?

"You know, winning games is cool and all, but I'd trade some of those wins for a little excitement." 

Nothing about the WC offense says the field can’t and shouldn't be stretched, if it isn’t, the defenders just sit on those short routes. 

offense evolves but so does defense and what I see when Teddy is in there are defenses squatting on those short routes as they do not respect his long ball, not distance or velocity 

the offense with a livelier arm was quite different yesterday   The threat has to be there and with Bridgewater it just isn’t  

Film would catch up with PJ just has it has with Bridgewater but I’ll say it again, there is a reason that the Saints didn’t keep him and the Panthers took the bait from Sean again....hook, line, and sinker 

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Nothing about the WC offense says the field can’t and shouldn't be stretched, if it isn’t, the defenders just sit on those short routes. 

offense evolves but so does defense and what I see when Teddy is in there are defenses squatting on those short routes as they do not respect his long ball, not distance or velocity 

the offense with a livelier arm was quite different yesterday   The threat has to be there and with Bridgewater it just isn’t  

Film would catch up with PJ just has it has with Bridgewater but I’ll say it again, there is a reason that the Saints didn’t keep him and the Panthers took the bait from Sean again....hook, line, and sinker 

The offense with the Lions defense across from them was a lot livelier yesterday.

Igo mentioned that a healthy Bridgewater probably would have put up close to 40 points yesterday, and he's right.

I would add that I wouldn't play the "there's a reason they didn't keep him" card when you're arguing in favor of a guy that nobody kept and was playing in the XFL.

[TheCasillas]

12 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Bridgewater but I’ll say it again, there is a reason that the Saints didn’t keep him and the Panthers took the bait from Sean again....hook, line, and sinker 

The Saints didnt keep him because they didnt (couldn't)want to spend 60+ million dollars on 3 qbs for 2020....

 

"As much as the Saints like him, they don’t think it’s realistic to pay Drew Brees, Bridgewater and restricted free agent QB Taysom Hill."

[KSpan]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

The Saints didnt keep him because they didnt (couldn't)want to spend 60+ million dollars on 3 qbs for 2020....

And they felt he was largely, if not entirely, replaceable. Given that Brees can be done any year now they wouldn't let the future walk away if they believed Teddy was that guy.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, KSpan said:

And they felt he was largely, if not entirely, replaceable. Given that Brees can be done any year now they wouldn't let the future walk away if they believed Teddy was that guy.

They had Hill. The franchise is high on him. He was also cheaper to keep than TB. They had to make a pick, and Hill was the cheaper backup QB to Brees.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Payton is probably crowing about that now too.

I'd say talk to me when he plays a better defense than Atlanta's.

 

[raleigh-panther]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The offense with the Lions defense across from them was a lot livelier yesterday.

Igo mentioned that a healthy Bridgewater probably would have put up close to 40 points yesterday, and he's right.

I would add that I wouldn't play the "there's a reason they didn't keep him" card when you're arguing in favor of a guy that nobody kept and was playing in the XFL.

Some how my response to this got deleted 

we can agree to disagree but my previous points are valid 

I’m not playing any card I am simply verbalizing what I saw yesterday.  The Panthers suddenly had a down field presence because the QB1 could or would throw the ball more than 5 yards and that QB1 had the ability to throw strongly on the run and threw with velocity to a place where his receivers caught it in stride 

Do I think pj walker is the long term answer, no but I know Bridgewater isn’t either. If this team wants to be 8 and 8 or 7 and 9 for three more years then keep Bridgewater  

I don’t care  how nice teddy is. I don’t cate how smart he is. I dont care how much of a leader he is. Those are intangibles. I suspect there are people posting on this board that have those things 

this is the NFl. Speed. Strength. Velocity matters and yes accuracy and that’s why he isn’t in NO. Payton wasn’t going to pay that price for a career backup. He is far smarter than Hurney and the rest of the Panthers brain trust at this point in time 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

Some how my response to this got deleted 

we can agree to disagree but my previous points are valid 

I’m not playing any card I am simply verbalizing what I saw yesterday.  The Panthers suddenly had a down field presence because the QB1 could or would throw the ball more than 5 yards and that QB1 had the ability to throw strongly on the run and threw with velocity to a place where his receivers caught it in stride 

Do I think pj walker is the long term answer, no but I know Bridgewater isn’t either. If this team wants to be 8 and 8 or 7 and 9 for three more years then keep Bridgewater  

I don’t care  how nice teddy is. I don’t cate how smart he is. I dont care how much of a leader he is. Those are intangibles. I suspect there are people posting on this board that have those things 

this is the NFl. Speed. Strength. Velocity matters and yes accuracy and that’s why he isn’t in NO. Payton wasn’t going to pay that price for a career backup. He is far smarter than Hurney and the rest of the Panthers brain trust at this point in time 

Money is why he isn't in New Orleans.

And if you think athletic traits are more important in a quarterback than mental traits, again you're doing it wrong.

The two quarterbacks that have the most wins and the most passing records between them in the league right now are also two of the least athletic guys you can find. One of them is 43 years old.

If you can find good athletic traits along with the mental side of things like you have with Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, you've got an elite quarterback. But those guys are very rare. Most of the time you have to settle for one or the other.

And if that's your choice, you take the mental side.

[MechaZain]

The coaches have tied themselves to Teddy and I can't see them changing course now, but they should definitely entertain offers if PJ continues at this pace. He doesn't even have to be as accurate and his arms strength and legs give the offense so much more to work with than Teddy does. 

And time will tell but for an XFL guy coming off the bench he really didn't look all that for off from Teddy's accuracy....

 

[BPF]

Honestly, if anyone really truthfully thinks QB play is why we've lost the games we have, obviously did not watch the defensive side of the ball. We continuously have looked flip-flopped from typical Panthers fashion of good to great D and so-so O. The offense has been churning out 30+ pretty much in every game, the difference is we have been giving up even more. This past game was a throwback to the Defense playing competent (even if it was Detroit) and the Offense generating those 1-2 huge chunk plays we are used to. I don't love the dink and dunk, but I am a fan of W's and if that is what it takes in todays game then so be it. As a fan, this season alone has been way overachieved. I was thinking we would have an abysmal year like 2001 bad, but it has been more like 2002 and that should have folks stoked. Check down or not, fix the D and you gotta dangerous team. 

[MasterAwesome]

44 minutes ago, KSpan said:

And they felt he was largely, if not entirely, replaceable. Given that Brees can be done any year now they wouldn't let the future walk away if they believed Teddy was that guy.

They're in win-now mode and they have by far the worst cap situation in the league.  Entertaining a scenario where they would have paid him $20+ million a year to potentially sit on the bench for 1, 2, even 3 years just isn't operating in reality.  And that's even assuming Teddy would have been willing to re-sign there as a back-up rather than actually getting the opportunity to start somewhere.  "Hey Teddy, I know you're at your prime age and have overcome a gruesome injury to get a chance to play quarterback again, but we want you to come back and warm the bench for us.  Just be patient cause you might get a chance next year or the year after".

Also, this mentality of treating a player leaving in FA as some type of blemish or indictment against them is really strange.  So Robby Anderson just isn't a good receiver cause the Jets let him go in FA.  If he was good, they clearly would have held on to him.  Bradberry is meh and definitely replaceable, or else we would have kept him, right?  There are tons of great players that leave in FA every year for a number of reasons.