Another Year, another stretch where Sean Payton is undefeated without Brees

[Moo Daeng]

18 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Proves that you can win and not have to sell your extremities to go out and get a franchise QB. Just my opinion.

Against Kendall Hinton playing QB

[Ready 2 Win]

29 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

As of today Sean is 8-0 without Brees the last two years. Almost like he has a very QB friendly system with an excellent roster or something. Did Hurney get bamboozled YET AGAIN?

Maybe, just maybe Brees is a better QB and Payton is a better coach than many (rival teams fans that are blinded by rivalry hatred) are willing to accept.

They are doing better than us. Cool for them. I would rather focus on what WE need to do to be better!

[MasterAwesome]

They have arguably a top 3:

-O-line

-RB

-WR

-Playcaller

-Defense (at least in recent weeks when Hill has been starting)

With an elite team all around him, he put up 21 and 24 points against a bottom-five defense.  QB is literally their only weakness.

 

If the Saints are 8-0 without Brees, then did the Saints get bamboozled by extending him for 2 more years?  Seems like that should be your argument.

[Moo Daeng]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

They have arguably a top 3:

-O-line

-RB

-WR

-Playcaller

-Defense (at least in recent weeks when Hill has been starting)

With an elite team all around him, he put up 21 and 24 points against a bottom-five defense.  QB is literally their only weakness.

 

If the Saints are 8-0 without Brees, then did the Saints get bamboozled by extending him for 2 more years?  Seems like that should be your argument.

New Orleans has the top defense in yards and 4th in points. They are definitely helping Hill

[Ja Rhule]

20 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Did you offer it as a sacrifice for the 2020 season? 

Nope, for a QB in 1st round of 2021 draft.  My wife have the right one in her purse.  If I get the left one back, I can get my status back as uniballer 

[MasterAwesome]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

New Orleans has the top defense in yards and 4th in points. They are definitely helping Hill

That's pretty nuts considering their defense has kicked it up about 9 notches in the second half of the season.  For the last 6 games, the Saints have given up around 11 ppg which would be best in the NFL by ~6.5 ppg.

[Moo Daeng]

8 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

That's pretty nuts considering their defense has kicked it up about 9 notches in the second half of the season.  For the last 6 games, the Saints have given up around 11 ppg which would be best in the NFL by ~6.5 ppg.

Facing a practice squad WR having to play QB doesn't hurt.

[ThatsJustAJ]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Proves that you can win and not have to sell your extremities to go out and get a franchise QB. Just my opinion.

no it proves Sean Payton can.

[Sgt Schultz]

The league's top coaches seem to find ways to win whether the QB is Brees or Brady, or if it is their understudy, or a guy who was sitting at a bar last week.  On the Huddle, people equate the QB with wins and losses, some almost at a complete disregard for every other facet of the game.  Successful coaches realize there are other factors that go into the equation, like the OL, or defense, or a RB that can take over a game when needed (preferably behind a strong OL).  They try to maximize their strengths and conceal their weaknesses.

As Bum Phillips said (about Bear Bryant), "<he> can take his''n, and beat your'n, and then he can take your'n and beat his'n."  There are maybe a handful of coaches in the league at any given time who can do that.  Those under them in the pecking order try to find ways to win their way, or else. 

Of course, then there are those who seem to try and find ways to lose.  As Jerry Glanville once said to an official: NFL stands for Not For Long.

[Moo Daeng]

10 minutes ago, ThatsJustAJ said:

no it proves Sean Payton can.

Against Broncos with Hinton and the Falcons. This needs to be repeated a lot.

[SCO96]

31 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

As Bum Phillips said (about Bear Bryant), "<he> can take his''n, and beat your'n, and then he can take your'n and beat his'n."  There are maybe a handful of coaches in the league at any given time who can do that.  Those under them in the pecking order try to find ways to win their way, or else. 

The quote you pulled did come from Bum Phillips, but I think he was talking about Don Shula, not about Bear Bryant.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/podcast/article/Don-Shula-Bum-Phillips-rivalry-Dolphins-Oilers-15248398.php

One of Phillips’ most famous quotes was in 1978. He was asked about coaching against Shula, and Phillips said, “He can take his’n and beat your’n and take your’n and beat his’n.”

In other words, Shula was such a great coach he could beat you with his players, and he could beat you with your players. But Shula had a hard time beating the Oilers when Phillips was their coach. Shula’s only victory was in 1977.

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I remember seeing that quote years ago and I remember Bum applying that to Mr. Shula (I'm actually old enough to remember them coaching against one another).

But who knows, maybe he did say the same thing about Bear Bryant. I'll check that out.

 

 

 

[Sgt Schultz]

13 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

The quote you pulled did come from Bum Phillips, but I think he was talking about Don Shula, not about Bear Bryant.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/john-mcclain/article/Don-Shula-Bum-Phillips-Oilers-Dolphins-15246

One of Phillips’ most famous quotes was in 1978. He was asked about coaching against Shula, and Phillips said, “He can take his’n and beat your’n and take your’n and beat his’n.”

In other words, Shula was such a great coach he could beat you with his players, and he could beat you with your players. But Shula had a hard time beating the Oilers when Phillips was their coach. Shula’s only victory was in 1977.

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I remember seeing that quote years ago and I remember Bum applying that to Mr. Shula (I'm actually old enough to remember them coaching against one another).

But who knows, maybe he did say the same thing about Bear Bryant. I'll check that out.

 

 

 

I'm old enough to remember them coaching against each other, too.  Phillips was a good coach in his time, and quite a character.  When he said something publicly, you had a pretty good idea it was going to be both funny and to the point.  Reading a list of his quotes is always a good way to lighten a day.

I found it on 247sports with him mentioning Bear Bryant.  But, at one time or another, he may well have said it about both.  I would not be surprised by that at all.

I remember him being asked about whether he was ever concerned about Earl Campbell, because he always got up so slow.  His response was "Yes, but he goes down slow, too." 

Somebody followed up with him on that, asking how he could tell if Campbell was hurt because he always got up so slow.  He said something to the effect of it was easy.  If he got up and came to the bench, he was hurt.  If he got up and went to the huddle, he wasn't.

 

[SCO96]

19 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'm old enough to remember them coaching against each other, too.  Phillips was a good coach in his time, and quite a character.  When he said something publicly, you had a pretty good idea it was going to be both funny and to the point.  Reading a list of his quotes is always a good way to lighten a day.

I found it on 247sports with him mentioning Bear Bryant.  But, at one time or another, he may well have said it about both.  I would not be surprised by that at all.

I remember him being asked about whether he was ever concerned about Earl Campbell, because he always got up so slow.  His response was "Yes, but he goes down slow, too." 

Somebody followed up with him on that, asking how he could tell if Campbell was hurt because he always got up so slow.  He said something to the effect of it was easy.  If he got up and came to the bench, he was hurt.  If he got up and went to the huddle, he wasn't.

 

A critic of Earl Campbell said that he was lazy because he never finished a mile run.

Bum Phillips:  " When it's first and a mile, I won't give it to him.   ~ On RB Earl Campbell's inability to finish a 1-mile run

[TLGPanthersFan]

People who were saying Teddy was the reason they went 5-0 have finally shut up. Since this season proved that they went 5-0 in spite of Teddy. If that defense hadn't played as well as they did in Bree's absence they wouldn't have gone 5-0. Payton can win with anyone. For anyone who thinks we are going to beat the Saints because they will have the first seed and will sit players. They have a chance to sweep the South for the first time ever. They are playing us full strength and are going to beat the crap outta us.