Another Year, another stretch where Sean Payton is undefeated without Brees

[GoPanthers123]

9 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

People also like to blame Hurney for the Grier pick, that was all Scott and Norv.

I will even go as far to say Hurney did not have much say when MoRon was here either, Hurney is a yes man. Nothing more.

Ron wasted the potential of a very talented team.   He can’t compete with better coaches.

[raleigh-panther]

Like him or not, Payton knows how to coach 

[SizzleBuzz]

52 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Dream land. 

Agreed.

For the folks/detractors who constantly fret over Marty they need worry no longer --- truly a dream scenario for them.

[Mr. Scot]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:13 AM, Car123 said:

Stopped reading after the first sentence.

Wise choice.

[raleigh-panther]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:39 AM, WarHeel said:

You’re only proving my point. Building through the draft is how you create success for consecutive years. Giving away draft capital to get a “franchise” QB is something many on here advocate for and it puts us in the same position we’ve been in the last quarter of a century. Mediocre.

The only time the Panthers moved up for a QB was in rd 2 for Jimmy clausen 

do you really think KC regrets moving from 27 to 10 for Mahones or Arizona taking Murray after taking Rosen. 
 

mccaffrey is a great running back. They paid 60M fir him. How many games have they won because of him.   

https://theundefeated.com/features/kansas-city-chiefs-trade-up-to-draft-texas-tech-quarterback-patrick-mahomes/
 

Bottom line, QB is the most important position in the NFL  period   The Panthers don’t have one   If the genius that is supposedly Brady and Rhule feel there is one there, go get him  period 

Bridgewater is a stop gap   Newton could have been that stop gap with a franchise tag  but the panthers wanted to move on so they chose to spend 63 million on a backup   It’s over and done but I don’t want to be happy with 6 and 10 for the next five years   If they are going to rebuild, then freaking rebuild 

 

[WarHeel]

4 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

The only time the Panthers moved up for a QB was in rd 2 for Jimmy clausen 

do you really think KC regrets moving from 27 to 10 for Mahones or Arizona taking Murray after taking Rosen. 
 

mccaffrey is a great running back. They paid 60M fir him. How many games have they won because of him.   

https://theundefeated.com/features/kansas-city-chiefs-trade-up-to-draft-texas-tech-quarterback-patrick-mahomes/
 

Bottom line, QB is the most important position in the NFL  period   The Panthers don’t have one   If the genius that is supposedly Brady and Rhule feel there is one there, go get him  period 

Bridgewater is a stop gap   Newton could have been that stop gap with a franchise tag  but the panthers wanted to move on so they chose to spend 63 million on a backup   It’s over and done but I don’t want to be happy with 6 and 10 for the next five years   If they are going to rebuild, then freaking rebuild 

 

We could trade away all our picks for a TL type and still go 6-10. Not sure why it doesn’t compute for some of you that having a great QB doesn’t win you games unless there is an adequate cast surrounding him. See Cam J. Newton 2011-2019.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

We could trade away all our picks for a TL type and still go 6-10. Not sure why it doesn’t compute for some of you that having a great QB doesn’t win you games unless there is an adequate cast surrounding him. See Cam J. Newton 2011-2019.

Yes. We could go six and 10 but we would at least have something to build on for years 

six and 10 once is one thing or 7 and 9 but an average of 7 and 9 for years is not 

I just can’t fathom spending $65 million on a coach, giving him a 7 year contract,  and not getting a long term Answer at QB

We have  Alex Smith at best or as someone else said Chad Pennington’ at worst.  

Inmho That won’t sell tickets in Charlotte or win many games, Not after Newton. 
 

I ask the question again, do you think Andy Reid has one regret from moving on from Alex Smith and trading away that ‘draft capital’ for his franchise QB?   He knew what he wanted. He knew this kid had it.  He got him

[WarHeel]

19 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Yes. We could go six and 10 but we would at least have something to build on for years 

six and 10 once is one thing or 7 and 9 but an average of 7 and 9 for years is not 

I just can’t fathom spending $65 million on a coach, giving him a 7 year contract,  and not getting a long term Answer at QB

We have  Alex Smith at best or as someone else said Chad Pennington’ at worst.  

Inmho That won’t sell tickets in Charlotte or win many games, Not after Newton. 
 

I ask the question again, do you think Andy Reid has one regret from moving on from Alex Smith and trading away that ‘draft capital’ for his franchise QB?   He knew what he wanted. He knew this kid had it.  He got him

Pat Mahomes has a metric ass ton of weapons, good protection, and a brilliant staff at the helm. 
 

If they’re able to trade all our capital for “the guy” and are able to simultaneously keep all our high priority FA it would be a Christmas miracle. KC is the exception the to rule and you said it yourself, as they traded up they didn’t even take Mahomes in the top 5 (ie. a cheaper move relative to what some on here suggest) so it’s really an apples to oranges discussion.

[raleigh-panther]

59 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Pat Mahomes has a metric ass ton of weapons, good protection, and a brilliant staff at the helm. 
 

If they’re able to trade all our capital for “the guy” and are able to simultaneously keep all our high priority FA it would be a Christmas miracle. KC is the exception the to rule and you said it yourself, as they traded up they didn’t even take Mahomes in the top 5 (ie. a cheaper move relative to what some on here suggest) so it’s really an apples to oranges discussion.

Then....why didn’t they achieve greatness with Alex Smith ?   

here’s the thing, if you don’t get up to bat you have zero chance at home run

thus team is probably going to be picking 6 to 8, if not now when ?  

wr have a $65 million coach. His ass should be able to find a long term qb in the draft and do what is needed   

If he doesn’t or he can’t than just another failure from this franchise inflected by an  owner 

I stand by. The Panthers  need an exceptional talent at qb with an arm and mobility and while teddy is a nice guy and people talk about what a leader he is, I don’t care. Either a pro player has the goods or they don’t