Greg Little just flopped on over to IR, ending his season

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

The position that Butler plays should be stat driven. He is brought in to pressure passer and get into the backfield. He is ranked 69th in DT efficiency in the league. Butler isnt a good DT. He is average.

Joe Buscaglia is the Bills beat writer for The Athletic. This is quoted from a recent article of his (link)

Since their bye week, Vernon Butler has been dominant at the point of attack. It’s not a coincidence that the Bills have taken a major step forward as a run-defending unit since then. Butler has played a huge role in their success as he settles into his new position as the one-technique defensive tackle. Butler has been consistently holding the line of scrimmage against multiple blockers and caused disruptions on occasion. The Bills had one of their best run-stuffing games of the seasons against Pittsburgh, mainly thanks to Butler. The Bills allowed just 18 yards on eight attempts (2.3 yards per carry) with Butler in the lineup. The Steelers don’t have a prolific rushing attack, but Butler was just as impactful against the 49ers’ more impressive rushing attack the week before.

With Butler on the field against San Francisco, the Bills allowed 44 yards on 15 carries (2.9 YPC). Butler was also an A.J. Klein missed tackle away at the line of scrimmage from allowing only 26 yards on those 15 attempts (1.7 YPC). Without him on the field, the 49ers gained 42 rushing yards on six attempts (7.0 YPC). Butler has been explosive and powerful and playing like the defender the Bills hoped for when they signed him in the offseason. From here on out, Butler must find the consistency that has eluded him all season. If he plays at the same level down the stretch, the Bills have a dependable one-two punch of run-stuffing defensive tackles between him and Oliver.

[SmokinwithWilly]

But without Star, KK has been average. Granted injuries have hurt him, but losing Star hurt him far worse. Star ate the double teams freeing KK to go 1on1. I'm not arguing that Butler is good. Just that stats don't necessarily show everything a player does. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

But without Star, KK has been average. Granted injuries have hurt him, but losing Star hurt him far worse. Star ate the double teams freeing KK to go 1on1. I'm not arguing that Butler is good. Just that stats don't necessarily show everything a player does. 

Joe Buscaglia thinks he's pretty good (see above).

[SmokinwithWilly]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Buscaglia thinks he's pretty good (see above).

I think he's actually playing pretty well to, but the "stats" don't show it. Just like how QBs used to not throw towards Revis and Sherman. They didn't have the stats, but their presence was there none the less. 

[thefuzz]

This would be tough to swallow if we just simply stayed put and took Little...the trade up...man, what a disaster.

2nd and 3rd round picks are what hold rosters together, Marty is awful in that portion of the draft.

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Buscaglia is the Bills beat writer for The Athletic. This is quoted from a recent article of his (link)

 

 

This good info, you have to wonder why his snap count isnt going up. Playing less than a third of the snap counts seems odd if he is so dominant. Maybe he is just another kyle love.  Good every once and while but not consistently 

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

With Kaaya specifically, probably on his radio show I would guess. As to the source, they were legit. I just got their information mixed up here. That's my fault, not theirs.

And if that were the only example, you might have a point.

Hurney having to be talked out of one of his hunches was something that happened multiple times. Times when he wasn't talked out of them we ended up with players like Armanti Edwards.

But again, if you want to talk up how you know better than everyone else and Marty Hurney is actually very good at his job, feel free.

I don't know if I know better than everyone else, but I certainly know better than your source who said Hurney's scouts had to talk him out of drafting Brad Kaaya while he was unemployed.  Regardless, I have never once said Marty Hurney is good at his job...but if that's a strawman you need me to adopt in order to deflect from you fabricating demonstrably false claims, then I'll be happy to do that for you.

My source (maybe we have the same one) actually said that Dave Gettleman was the one responsible for drafting Armanti Edwards.  Hurney wanted to take Jimmy Graham but Gettleman overruled him and said "Edwards will be the next Steve Smith".  I know the timeline might not add up, but my source said it and I trust him.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I don't know if I know better than everyone else, but I certainly know better than your source who said Hurney's scouts had to talk him out of drafting Brad Kaaya while he was unemployed.  Regardless, I have never once said Marty Hurney is good at his job...but if that's a strawman you need me to adopt in order to deflect from you fabricating demonstrably false claims, then I'll be happy to do that for you.

My source (maybe we have the same one) actually said that Dave Gettleman was the one responsible for drafting Armanti Edwards.  Hurney wanted to take Jimmy Graham but Gettleman overruled him and said "Edwards will be the next Steve Smith".  I know the timeline might not add up, but my source said it and I trust him.

Not my info, just my mix up. But the person who had the direct source on it is a member here and can speak for themselves.

And as I recall, weren't you one of the people that said the sources of news about Newton were also "fabricated"?

[MasterAwesome]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not my info, just my mix up. But the person who had the direct source on it is a member here and can speak for themselves.

And as I recall, weren't you one of the people that said the sources of news about Newton were also "fabricated"?

Uh no...I never involved myself in those discussions.  I would never claim something is "fabricated" unless I could actually disprove its substance.  I'll be cautious or skeptical of sources, sure...particularly when they're shrouded in vague anonymities and referenced by people with a lack of credibility who I know are hardcore driven by pre-conceived agendas and narratives.  That's something I wish more people would do...again, considering the amount of misinformation that's being spread everywhere that people are so desperate to consume.

I'll be charitable to your "source" though and chalk this up to your apparent poor recollection since that appears to be a common theme here.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

Uh no...I never involved myself in those discussions.  I would never claim something is "fabricated" unless I could actually disprove its substance.  I'll be cautious or skeptical of sources, sure...particularly when they're shrouded in vague anonymities and referenced by people with a lack of credibility who I know are hardcore driven by pre-conceived agendas and narratives.  That's something I wish more people would do...again, considering the amount of misinformation that's being spread everywhere that people are so desperate to consume.

I'll be charitable to your "source" though and chalk this up to your apparent poor recollection since that appears to be a common theme here.

Ah yes, Marty being bad is just my "preconceived agenda".

Sure it is...

[bobcat91]

4 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

He had the lowest %age of pressures allowed, better than andre dillard. Wasn’t good in college? This is revisionist 

Did you watch him play at Ole Miss or are you just an ignorant stat reader. I watched him play personally about a dozen times. Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about

[raleigh-panther]

Little never struck me as having the ‘want to’

the terrier meanness that all great linemen have

can have all the physical tools in the world but if you don’t have that tenacity in the NFL, not going anywhere 

I suspect that’s the case. He never struck me as a hard worker either as he did have physical tools.  That’s not enough at Pro level.   They all have tools 

[MasterAwesome]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ah yes, Marty being bad is just my "preconceived agenda".

Sure it is...

If he's so bad, it should be pretty easy to argue with facts instead of things you just made up in your head.  Yet here we are...

Even if we acknowledge "Marty = bad" as fact...that isn't carte blanche to make up whatever claims you want about the dude...this isn't rocket science.  I think Gettleman sucks but I don't tell people I saw him shoot up meth out by some dumpsters off Tyvola.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

If he's so bad, it should be pretty easy to argue with facts instead of things you just made up in your head.  Yet here we are...

Even if we acknowledge "Marty = bad" as fact...that isn't carte blanche to make up whatever claims you want about the dude...this isn't rocket science.  I think Gettleman sucks but I don't tell people I saw him shoot up meth out by some dumpsters off Tyvola.

Riiiiight. Just made that up...

I actually went back to the archives to look up the thread where it was discussed just for my own sake. Unfortunately, the Huddle doesn't seem to have the time period where it occurred (February 2018) online. Checking the Wayback Machine but it's tough sledding.

I do, however, still have the PM discussions. These are some quotes from one of them. He names his source, but I've redacted that and who the discussion was with. Up to them if they wanna speak but I won't do it for them out of respect.

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Friend: (Source) did tell me that Marty gets these pet projects that the scouts had to consistently talk him out of. As you know, he wanted to trade his next year's first to get Clausen in the first round. That pick turned out to be Cam. Also said he was enamored with Kaaya. He doesn't appear to be a bright football mind and I think Jerry started slipping that way over the last 10-15 years.

Me: So (source) can confirm that Hurney was prepared to trade a future first for Clausen? Wonder what stopped him.

Friend: He did confirm that. I believe the scouts talked him down.

This discussion took place after the season where we (briefly) signed Kaaya and ultimately let him go. I mistakenly remembered it as being pre-draft. That's on me, not him.

What generated this particular discussion was that I'd actually had a chance to talk directly to his source myself. He'd mentioned his name in prior discussions but to that point, none of that info was shared publicly by either of us.

Also to be clear, he wasn't sharing these things publicly himself so he wasn't seeing to pad his reputation or anything. Because the info was interesting, around February 15th of 2018, I asked if he'd mind it being posted. This was his response.

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Feel free to share any or all of it. No need to quote me. 

And I did. It generated a pretty lively discussion which I'd happily link to if I could find it online. So far, no luck. As I recall, both he and another source with whom I'd had some private conversations both ultimately decided to identify themselves and share directly.

So, sorry to disappoint you, but no, not made up. Not even originating with me, but I never said they did.