Luke Kuechly Was Drafted #9

[tecc86]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Damn. Some people are really that dumb, aren't they?

Yeah the people that think the players on the field playing gives two fugs about what spot the team will draft their eventual replacement.

IT DOESNT MATTER IF WE WANT THE TEAM TO LOSE, THE PLAYERS DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU WANT.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Losing the equivalent of a high 2nd round or low 1st round pick in overall draft value by winning a meaningless late season game when we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs is well worth it for the moral victory. We didn't just lose draft position in the 1st round. We lost draft position with every single one of our picks today. For nothing.

Damn. Some people are really that dumb, aren't they?

No I’m not being dumb. I didn’t want to win this game either. I just realize winning it didn’t ruin our upcoming draft. Might as well not show up by your reaction as it seems you are under the impression we have lost all hope today before the draft even happens... it’s strange. 

I was hoping we would tank for Lawrence rather than sign Teddy. But what can you do? You think all 4 QBs will be gone before we pick? If so we get an amazing talent elsewhere and take our QB next year. But I think it’s unlikely. One of Fields, Lance or Wilson should be there: 

Calling people dumb because they don’t see things the way you do is... pretty dumb. And again, this is coming from someone who wanted to lose out. 

[ClawOn]

Patrick Mahomes was drafted #10.  After the Bears traded a few 1s for Trubisky. 

Other than 1 overall,  you have to be smarter than the other guys. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, TheMostInterestingMan said:

No I’m not being dumb. I didn’t want to win this game either. I just realize winning it didn’t ruin our upcoming draft. Might as well not show up by your reaction as it seems you are under the impression we have lost all hope today before the draft even happens... it’s strange. 

I was hoping we would tank for Lawrence rather than sign Teddy. But what can you do? You think all 4 QBs will be gone before we pick? If so we get an amazing talent elsewhere and take our QB next year. But I think it’s unlikely. One of Fields, Lance or Wilson should be there: 

Calling people dumb because they don’t see things the way you do is... pretty dumb. And again, this is coming from someone who wanted to lose out. 

I think it's the fan version of Stockholm syndrome. We're so accustomed as Panthers fans watching this organization do mind numbingly dumb things that some of us feel the need to defend the dumb.

[Monrowed]

57 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

CMC was drafted #8

Jordan Gross #8

Patrick Mahomes #10

Thomas Davis #14

Steve Smith 3rd Round

Tom Brady 6th round pick 199

Drew Brees 2nd round 

Russell Wilson 3rd round

 

Actively rooting for us to lose so we don't slide down a few picks is pathetic and stupid. Quit bitching please.

 

Ps we fired Hurney so this season is already a win.

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, the Panthers are one linebacker away from the Super Bowl

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's the fan version of Stockholm syndrome. We're so accustomed as Panthers fans watching this organization do mind numbingly dumb things that some of us feel the need to defend the dumb.

Again, I’ve made this point many times but I’ll make it again. High draft picks. Who has had a ton of those for the last 20 years? 
 

Raiders, Browns, Lions, Jags, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals... how many years have those teams sucked despite picking in the top 8 year after year?

I would rather have a staff that cares more about winning the next game than about improving our draft position. Because draft position doesn’t guarantee success. We will get a lot farther with a staff that knows how to win.

Did I want to lose out? Yes. But the sky is for falling. And tanking doesn’t really have a lot of credibility when you look at how many teams have sucked year after year without things ever changing. 
 

The only sure fire lock at QB was Lawrence and we never had a shot at him. The others all have serious question marks. 
 

Would you have been happier to find out Rhule was intentionally trying to lose. Preparing his team to fail? That would be far more concerning to me than moving a couple spots down. Would you not agree? 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Again, I’ve made this point many times but I’ll make it again. High draft picks. Who has had a ton of those for the last 20 years? 
 

Raiders, Browns, Lions, Jags, Jets, Dolphins, Bengals... how many years have those teams sucked despite picking in the top 8 year after year?

I would rather have a staff that cares more about winning the next game than about improving our draft position. Because draft position doesn’t guarantee success. We will get a lot farther with a staff that knows how to win.

Did I want to lose out? Yes. But the sky is for falling. And tanking doesn’t really have a lot of credibility when you look at how many teams have sucked year after year without things ever changing. 
 

The only sure fire lock at QB was Lawrence and we never had a shot at him. The others all have serious question marks. 
 

Would you have been happier to find out Rhule was intentionally trying to lose. Preparing his team to fail? That would be far more concerning to me than moving a couple spots down. Would you not agree? 

There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. There is a such thing as draft pick value though. That's pretty concrete. We just lost a bunch of it.

[Ivan Knight-Jordan]

He’s right a top 3 pick doesn’t guarantee anything. Stop acting like you know we are going to get the best player the higher that we pick. Our first round picks seldom disappoint why would the slot matter that much if it isn’t #1.

[SmartyHurney3]

No one cares about maybe selecting the next best elite [insert position group that doesn't make nearly an impact as QB].

Luke couldn't will us to win games by himself and he was the best damn MLB I've witnessed. The Panthers need a QB.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. There is a such thing as draft pick value though. That's pretty concrete. We just lost a bunch of it.

This side steps my entire point. All the teams I mentioned have had more of it than anyone else in the league for years. Where has that gotten them?

Or do you prefer just to ignore the point? I get the disappointment. I don’t get the irrational “you guys are stupid this game was pointless” attitude however. It’s unwarranted. But you do you 

[NYPantherFan]

Given how bad the OLine has been, seeing Penei Sewell fall into our lap and then yanked away in 3 hours is depressing.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

This side steps my entire point. All the teams I mentioned have had more of it than anyone else in the league for years. Where has that gotten them?

Or do you prefer just to ignore the point? I get the disappointment. I don’t get the irrational “you guys are stupid this game was pointless” attitude however. It’s unwarranted. But you do you 

Your point is dumb. It's based on hypotheticals. Draft pick value is the one thing here that isn't hypothetical. It's very real. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Your point is dumb. It's based on hypotheticals. Draft pick value is the one thing here that isn't hypothetical. It's very real. 

It isn’t based on a single hypothetical. You are honestly being ridiculous. Wtf? In fact, your argument is more a hypothetical than mine. There’s no guarantee that the 3rd pick turns the franchise around. Get off it

[TheMostInterestingMan]

@LinvilleGorge “there is no such thing as a guarantee draft pick. There is such thing as draft value”

Proceeds to say that me pointing out Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders, Lions, Jaguars, Browns having more of this “draft value” in the last two decades than any other team in the entire league is dumb because it’s “hypothetical”

WTF point are you even trying to make? It’s literally illogical lol.