P.J. Walker

[CRA]

2 hours ago, onmyown said:

Are people saying start Pj to tank?

 

or do people actually think there is more to see from him?

cause lol

If you want to properly tank you start Will Grier for 16 games and go 0-16.  

PJ Walker will mess around allow the Panthers to will a couple.    

PJ Walker is more entertaining and better than Will.  That’s it.   No one is arguing that PJ is the future of anything.  There is more entertainment value to watching him than any QB on the roster last year.  We aren’t going to do anything starting any of them. 

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

If you want to properly tank you start Will Grier for 16 games and go 0-16.     

These are common opinions here with absolutely nothing to back them up. For what it’s worth, we’d struggle with both for sure.

But Grier’s first start saw us give up two punt return TDs, which he didn’t influence. Take those away and it’s 17-6. Add two short field goals instead of going for it on fourth down twice and it’s 17-12 with 5 mins left, despite throwing to Curtis Samuel, the immortal DeAndrew White and Brandon Zylstra. Oh and if you’d like to point out his interceptions that day, as I can tell you’re salivating over, remember that only one was his fault. Wright had a ball land in his hands and get stolen like a bad basketball player. Exact same thing with White late in the game. Remember, aggressive players try to win, like you said, so he was throwing deep. 

I mean, it’s not like your opinion can be swayed. I’m just offering some facts to point to the contrary that somehow he’s the worst QB we’ve ever had when his numbers were not very different from Walker’s. 

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

These are common opinions here with absolutely nothing to back them up. For what it’s worth, we’d struggle with both for sure.

But Grier’s first start saw us give up two punt return TDs, which he didn’t influence. Take those away and it’s 17-6. Add two short field goals instead of going for it on fourth down twice and it’s 17-12 with 5 mins left, despite throwing to Curtis Samuel, the immortal DeAndrew White and Brandon Zylstra. Oh and if you’d like to point out his interceptions that day, as I can tell you’re salivating over, remember that only one was his fault. Wright had a ball land in his hands and get stolen like a bad basketball player. Exact same thing with White late in the game. Remember, aggressive players try to win, like you said, so he was throwing deep. 

I mean, it’s not like your opinion can be swayed. I’m just offering some facts to point to the contrary that somehow he’s the worst QB we’ve ever had when his numbers were not very different from Walker’s. 

Well there is Will’s actual play.  Regardless of what else happened in the game....he looked horrible when we saw him IMO.  

there just wasn’t any promising in the mess.  Not putting the mess all on Will.  

[CPsinceDay1]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

This may be the dumbest thing ever written on this board.

When Z.Wilson becomes a bust, you going feel real dumb. Bet you start making excuses for him also, really if Z.Wilson was black he would not be receiving so much love.

Ex. If J.Fields/T.Lance was white, there would be no mention of Wilson.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

When Z.Wilson becomes a bust, you going feel real dumb. Bet you start making excuses for him also, really if Z.Wilson was black he would not be receiving so much love.

Ex. If J.Fields/T.Lance was white, there would be no mention of Wilson.

Fields and Lawerence would be a legit coin flip.  
 

 

[CRA]

if you wanted to make an argument about taking a lot of one reads in college offense....you could do that with Trevor too. 

but people don’t do that with Trevor.  

and people don’t critique Fields when he and his team were healthy.  They like to talk  nearly exclusively about games where 20+ guys were out. 

[CPsinceDay1]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Fields and Lawerence would be a legit coin flip.  
 

 

Imagine being compared to Lawrence your whole college career, then you finally beat him, only to lose to BAMA, and then the media has the nerve to talk about some dude name Wilson being better than you...yeah who ever gets Fields is going to have a monster looking out for blood.

 

[KillerKat]

PJ has shown he has potential. His decision making can be coached. He already has intangibles better than Teddy.

[Tinamedina]

15 hours ago, CRA said:

If you want to properly tank you start Will Grier for 16 games and go 0-16.  

PJ Walker will mess around allow the Panthers to will a couple.    

PJ Walker is more entertaining and better than Will.  That’s it.   No one is arguing that PJ is the future of anything.  There is more entertainment value to watching him than any QB on the roster last year.  We aren’t going to do anything starting any of them. 

heres what im not understanding, if we can agree that p.j. walker can help win games, why oh why is it such a crazy idea to start pj walker (provided he wins out in training camp)? cause we all know when teddy starts to mess up, rhule is gonna want to put p.j. walker in.

[Tinamedina]

2 hours ago, KillerKat said:

PJ has shown he has potential. His decision making can be coached. He already has intangibles better than Teddy.

sounds like a rookie coming out of college, i mean this is exactly what people are saying about trey lance. except unlike trey lance, pj walker started in college for more than just 1 season. i say let teddy start if thats what rhule wants, when teddy starts to mess up, bench teddy and roll with pj walker. draft next season if need be.

[DaveThePanther2008]

22 hours ago, kass said:

Some WFT fans think Taylor Heinicke is the answer.

We also have this category of fans, the PJ Walker fanclub.

I think the games would be more fun to watch, but we would still have a losing record. Forever... 

I don't think anyone on here is saying PJ is the answer.  PJ has a willingness to win.  It amazes me the critics on a players that has played 1-1/4 games.  There isn't a rookie ever to play that didn't make mistakes.  Hopefully, he learns from his mistakes and improves.

What I do believe is PJ with the weapons we have will utilize the entire field and give us a chance to win.  I don't want to be in almost every game and know that our QB doesn't have the balls to come back and win.

I hope they give PJ a chance and allow us to build the rest of the team this season.

Trade for Watson next year if he clears his legal issues.

[kass]

3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I don't think anyone on here is saying PJ is the answer.  PJ has a willingness to win.  It amazes me the critics on a players that has played 1-1/4 games.  There isn't a rookie ever to play that didn't make mistakes.  Hopefully, he learns from his mistakes and improves.

What I do believe is PJ with the weapons we have will utilize the entire field and give us a chance to win.  I don't want to be in almost every game and know that our QB doesn't have the balls to come back and win.

I hope they give PJ a chance and allow us to build the rest of the team this season.

Trade for Watson next year if he clears his legal issues.

Then we agree on most part. But PJ is the same thing as tanking. I rather we try find our guy, even picking a 2/3round QB. 

Rather swing and miss than wasting a year hoping for the future. Don't put the roster building QB position, on hold. 

Edited March 28, 2021 by kass

[Mr. Scot]

17 hours ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

When Z.Wilson becomes a bust, you going feel real dumb. Bet you start making excuses for him also, really if Z.Wilson was black he would not be receiving so much love.

Ex. If J.Fields/T.Lance was white, there would be no mention of Wilson.

PJ Walker already is a bust, and the race thing is just stupid.

[DaveThePanther2008]

23 minutes ago, kass said:

Then we agree on most part. But PJ is the same thing as tanking. I rather we try find our guy, even picking a 2/3round QB. 

Rather swing and miss than wasting a year hoping for the future. Don't put the roster building QB position, on hold. 

If we are going after Watson than why waste a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB that will be nothing more than a back-up.  If PJ isn't the answer than maybe Minshew or stick with Teddy.  

The last thing we need to do is compound the problem by picking a QB that may or may not be better than the players we already have on the roster.  

I'd rather us the 2nd round pick on a player like Creed Humpries or a solid CB.