Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Albert Breer also has us taking Fields, believes Tepper is pushing for it.


GoobyPls
 Share

Recommended Posts

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam means you can bring the rookie in when ready....not out of desperation.   Like was the case with Sam Darnold as rookie.   And if Sam surprises and shines? So be it.   That wouldn't be a bad thing.  

How does Darnold mean you can bring the rookie in slowly or when ready? If Darnold sucks, like most people here seem to think, the desperation to play the rookie as soon as possible will be high.

I agree that if Darnold plays well, it'll be a good thing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

How does Darnold mean you can bring the rookie in slowly or when ready? If Darnold sucks, like most people here seem to think, the desperation to play the rookie as soon as possible will be high.

I agree that if Darnold plays well, it'll be a good thing.

Darnold is a bust given his expectations.  But Darnold isn't Jimmy Clausen.  Again, the last time the Jets attempted to actually win.....he won more games with a bad Jets roster than we won last year.  

We aren't in win now mode.  If we drafted a rookie/future franchise QB.....you could send Darnold out there to compete while we groomed the rookie.   I don't think the odds are high Sam will be worse in Carolina than NY.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Last year all I heard was how much better Brady's system was going to make Teddy. They know what they're getting and they know Teddy can run this system. They're not dumb.

One circumstance is not necessarily the other. I'm only saying I don't know who Darnold will be in 2021. The unfolding is always a mysterious unknown.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You remember what time of year this is, right?

“Smokescreens aren’t as common as people think” 

You have literally taken quotes from the same conference stating they are confident in him. A quote comes up that doesn’t fit your narrative.... must be bluffing for draft season. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Darnold is a bust given his expectations.  But Darnold isn't Jimmy Clausen.  Again, the last time the Jets attempted to actually win.....he won more games with a bad Jets roster than we won last year.  

We aren't in win now mode.  If we drafted a rookie/future franchise QB.....you could send Darnold out there to compete while we groomed the rookie.   I don't think the odds are high Sam will be worse in Carolina than NY. 

If he was good enough to win more games with a bad Jets team, putting a better team around him should mean they don't need to draft a rookie QB highly this year since he should be a lot better with a better team and coaching.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

“Smokescreens aren’t as common as people think” 

You have literally taken quotes from the same conference stating they are confident in him. A quote comes up that doesn’t fit your narrative.... must be bluffing for draft season. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways. 

charlie sheen applause GIF

Edited by jayboogieman
Just teasing!
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

One circumstance is not necessarily the other. I'm only saying I don't know who Darnold will be in 2021. The unfolding is always a mysterious unknown.

If you asked a man in a mangled car wrapped around a tree why he was driving so recklessly I imagine his response would be something along the lines of, " Well, I didn't know it was gonna end up like this." Even though all who were watching saw it coming a mile away.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

If he was good enough to win more games with a bad Jets team, putting a better team around him should mean they don't need to draft a rookie QB highly this year since he should be a lot better with a better team and coaching.

but if Sam is just the guy that won 7 games in NY.....that still isn't good enough.    And there are high odds he is just a version of that guy.   A good all around athlete that will never be a very good NFL QB.   There is no reason to turn kicking the tires on Sam into being all in on Sam.     

The chance to draft a Justin Fields type talent doesn't occur that often.  You normally have to be really really bad or give up a ton a capital.    No reason not to add that QB talent on a team that doesn't have a legit QB presently if he is there. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, CRA said:

but if Sam is just the guy that won 7 games in NY.....that still isn't good enough.    And there are high odds he is just a version of that guy.   A good all around athlete that will never be a very good NFL QB.   There is no reason to turn kicking the tires on Sam into being all in on Sam.     

The chance to draft a Justin Fields type talent doesn't occur that often.  You normally have to be really really bad or give up a ton a capital.    No reason not to add that QB talent on a team that doesn't have a legit QB. 

 

No reason not to give Sam the best chance to succeed by drafting an elite tackle prospect to protect him, if there, or an elite WR or TE, if there either. Kicking the tires on Sam this year doesn't mean they can't draft a QB next year if he sucks. Look at the Bucs, Chiefs, and other contending teams. They built the teams before getting the QB. The Panthers can do the same.Bored Married With Children GIF

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you asked a man in a mangled car wrapped around a tree why he was driving so recklessly I imagine his response would be something along the lines of, " Well, I didn't know it was gonna end up like this." Even though all who were watching saw it coming a mile away.

Well, I never tell anyone else what they (do or do not) know. If you know, you know. I don't know. So I'll wait and be surprised.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

No reason not to give Sam the best chance to succeed by drafting an elite tackle prospect to protect him, if there, or an elite WR or TE, if there either. Kicking the tires on Sam this year doesn't mean they can't draft a QB next year if he sucks. Look at the Bucs, Chiefs, and other contending teams. They built the teams before getting the QB. The Panthers can do the same.Bored Married With Children GIF

Do the Panthers have a legit starting QB on their roster they believe can help them achieve their goals?  It's that simple.  

If the answer is no, then you have to be willing to acquire high end QB talent when the opportunity presents itself. 

If Sam is Sam....we likely aren't in the position to draft a Justin Fields caliber player the next season.   Because Sam isn't Clausen.    

If a QB doesn't fall? One you like.  Well, you draft BPA.  Get the OT.  Get the TE/WR.  Get Surtain.  Whatever.  Nothing you can do about that. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • You kinda gloss over this, but this is really at the crux of this whole argument....which Flacco are we talking here?  You bring up that he played with 3 different teams but ignore the fact that his performance varied quite a bit from team to team. 2024 Colts: 65.3% completion, 12 TDs, 7 INTs, 220.1 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 90.5 rating 2025 Browns: 58.1% completion, 2 TDs, 6 INTs, 203.8 YPG, 5.1 Y/A, 60.3 rating 2025 Bengals: 63.4% completion, 12 TDs, 3 INTs, 290.6 YPG, 6.8 Y/A, 96.2 rating 2025 Flacco (Browns + Bengals): 61.1% completion, 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 252.0 YPG, 6.1 Y/A, 80.8 rating vs. 2025 Bryce: 62.7% completion, 14 TDs, 7 INTs, 196.2 YPG, 6.2 Y/A, 86.0 rating I bolded the comparison that I think objectively makes the most sense...just simply comparing the two QBs for the entire season.  Otherwise you'd be cherry-picking Flacco's time with the Bengals and ignoring his earlier stint with the Browns, which sounds an awful lot like people cherry-picking Bryce's stats in the second half of last season. So again, which Flacco?  Basically the only thing consistent with Flacco across each of these teams was his W/L records: 2-4, 1-3, and 1-4 respectively.  I'd say if we're comparing each version of him to Bryce this year: Colts Flacco > 2025 Bryce, Browns Flacco <<< 2025 Bryce, Bengals Flacco >> 2025 Bryce, and 2025 Flacco < 2025 Bryce - Flacco this year only beats out Bryce on YPG but in part because he throws significantly more passes (almost 60 YPG more than Bryce, despite a lower Y/A which is pretty telling) .  Flacco is maybe the most apt case study about how important a QB's circumstances are to his success.  He was easily a bottom 3 QB in Cleveland and arguably top 10-15 in Cincinnati...and we're talking about the same player from the same season.  All that happened was taking him from one team and plopping him onto another team; nothing inherently changed about him as a QB.  Funny enough I think that's all that one dude on here was trying to say when he made that long poorly-received post after having an epiphany working for PFF behind the scenes or w/e.  That it's largely short-sighted to just try to evaluate QBs in a vacuum when there are so many variables at play that ultimately decide whether a QB is successful or not.   I think Bryce has been mediocre at best this season and I'm ready to move on regardless of how he ends this season - I'm highly skeptical a strong end to the season will carry over into next year considering how last year ended and this year began.  I would certainly agree that he's a bottom-third QB this year.  I just don't understand you scoffing indignantly at anyone holding the opinion that Bryce has had a better season than Flacco...I can only assume it's recency bias.  Or maybe you know the stats don't support you, which is why you're conjuring up the god-forsaken arbitrary "eyeball test" which is the kinda thing people in here were saying about Fields for years, pinky promising that he really truly was a franchise QB despite his awful stats.  Perhaps it's called the eyeball test because I roll my eyes anytime I hear someone bring it up seriously as an argument.
    • CMC said he expected to play his career here.  He didn't think he would be traded.  Carolina decided they wanted to trade him.  He picked here he wanted to go.   But we dumped him.  For largely peanuts.   But we dumped DJ Moore and he never had a blood and guts game.   So it's never a guarantee. 
    • I have many people telling me CMC was blindsided and heartbroken by the trade, but that's not how I remember everything going down.  49ers are pretty wounded right now on defense so if our offense can sustain drives and score, that'd be the difference maker. Their offense? I'm not scared of CMC. 
×
×
  • Create New...