5 Carolina Panthers players facing an uphill battle at training camp

[AU-panther]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The cap numbers aren't big enough to factor into the equation. It's loose change in the couch. 

If two guys are equally bad wouldn't you cut the one that saves you the most cap?

My point in my earlier msg was that this idea you keep him for depth because there is no savings in cutting him was not entirely true.

 

[Icege]

Zylstra was one of the better special teams contributors last season.

Really wanna see Hartsfield & STO3 stick.

Greg Little & Will Grier just aren't NFL-calibre players.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Icege

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

If two guys are equally bad wouldn't you cut the one that saves you the most cap?

Not necessarily. Locker room impact comes into play. Coachability comes into play. If both guys are liabilities and we're talking about pocket lint in terms of cap implications, I'm going with the more coachable guy who is best in the locker room.

At the end of the day, I think there's a decent chance that there's at least one OL on our final roster that comes off the waiver wire when other teams start paring down their rosters.

[SBBlue]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Not necessarily. Locker room impact comes into play. Coachability comes into play. If both guys are liabilities and we're talking about pocket lint in terms of cap implications, I'm going with the more coachable guy who is best in the locker room.

At the end of the day, I think there's a decent chance that there's at least one OL on our final roster that comes off the waiver wire when other teams start paring down their rosters.

When talking oline, an additional factor is flexibility.

Little can only play LT.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, SBBlue said:

When talking oline, an additional factor is flexibility.

Little can only play LT.

Yep and versatility seems to be the biggest focal point this off-season with our staff and the OL. 

[SBBlue]

51 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Moore was an UDFA.  32 teams passed on him for 7 rounds.  Every year every fan bases freak out over their guys getting poached. 

I agree.  Moore has to beat out someone at camp.  If its close and between Moore and Little, you take Moore.  Moore can play center.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Or very own GM feels that a team should be adding a QB to the roster every year. 

While every year won't be 3rd round picks, the law of averages says there will be 3rd round picks made that don't pan out whether is QB or not. 

Point being, it's a moot point. 

Except for his first year? 

[kungfoodude]

42 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep and versatility seems to be the biggest focal point this off-season with our staff and the OL. 

I think, quite unfortunately, the staff is hyper fixated on versatility to the detriment of actual ability. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I agree.  Moore has to beat out someone at camp.  If its close and between Moore and Little, you take Moore.  Moore can play center.

I think Moore can likely flex between all three IOL positions. That would greatly help his case.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think, quite unfortunately, the staff is hyper fixated on versatility to the detriment of actual ability. 

I just think we're shy on talent on the OL. I just don't think there's a great deal of actual ability in the room. We're in a situation of hoping the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. So if you're not going to be very good, be able to be not very good at a multitude of different roles.

I was honestly surprised to see us only draft one OL.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I just think we're shy on talent on the OL. I just don't think there's a great deal of actual ability in the room. We're in a situation of hoping the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. So if you're not going to be very good, be able to be not very good at a multitude of different roles.

The decisions seemed to lean towards versatility over ability in the overall offseason. It was quite mind boggling when you consider how that OL was so clearly a limiting factor in 2020. 

I am hoping they just have some super secret info that makes them look like geniuses. The alternative would be painful for the fans.

[SBBlue]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just think we're shy on talent on the OL. I just don't think there's a great deal of actual ability in the room. We're in a situation of hoping the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. So if you're not going to be very good, be able to be not very good at a multitude of different roles.

I was honestly surprised to see us only draft one OL.

You mean in the top3 rounds?  

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[Chief Keek]

Thankfully between Fitterer and Rhule you have two great talent evaluators. This is the first offseason I've been excited about in a while, I'm looking forward to the moves Fitterer is going to make to complete the 53.

[BlitzMonster]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

Brown - Draft pick by current staff, could help, but it was a lower pick.  I think there is a lot of potential there, especially if he gets into shape.  If he does play well in training camp and preseason might be more afraid to put him on practice squad, might get poached.

OG Deonte Brown didn't get drafted because there were questions about his motivation for the NFL.   He showed up to the Senior Bowl as a fat lump.  So it was not that surprising he fell in the draft.

But Brown has rare natural size and he played on a national championship team for Nick Saban.   

If Brown gets his act together & comes to camp in shape, that shows he IS  motivated and all those questions go away.  A bunch of NFL teams would then likely be interested in him.   He's just too high profile.   

So, as you said, there's no way he goes on the practice squad.  He would be poached immediately.