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NFCS Pass Protection Stats Thru 4 games

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59 minutes ago, frankw said:

The new bosses tried the same blueprint for the oline as the old bosses and got similar results 🤷‍♂️

The new bosses have tried to put out the dumpster fire left by the old bosses.

Unfortunately they couldn't fix everything in two offseasons. 

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33 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Sack, hits, and hurrys  can be a bit misleading because some teams have more or less pass attempts then others.  


That same table has a pressure % number that accounts for that.

We are actually 8th worst in the entire league based on that.

 

If you actually look at the table you would see that I added the number of attempts and completions just for you. 

Pressure % is useful but HIDES important data.    Pressure % adds sacks, hits and hurries together, as if they are the same thing.  They are not.   

 

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2 hours ago, SBBlue said:

 

If you actually look at the table you would see that I added the number of attempts and completions just for you. 

Pressure % is useful but HIDES important data.    Pressure % adds sacks, hits and hurries together, as if they are the same thing.  They are not.   

 

You have to factor in number of attempts also or just the individual numbers lose contect.  Lets put it in practice.

Lets look at your way:

Saints 7-12-9 (sacks, hits, hurries)

Falcons 8-20-11 (sacks, hits, hurries)

You could make the argument the Saints are better at pass protection.

Factor in the number of attempts, pressure percentage.

Atlanta 22.7% which is 14th in the league.

Saints 26.4%, which is 23rd in the league.

Saints are way worse.

Stats without context are useless and often misleading.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

You have to factor in number of attempts also or just the individual numbers lose contect.  Lets put it in practice.

Lets look at your way:

Saints 7-12-9 (sacks, hits, hurries)

Falcons 8-20-11 (sacks, hits, hurries)

You could make the argument the Saints are better at pass protection.

Factor in the number of attempts, pressure percentage.

Atlanta 22.7% which is 14th in the league.

Saints 26.4%, which is 23rd in the league.

Saints are way worse.

Stats without context are useless and often misleading.

 

 

LOL You Ignore all the other stats and just look at pressure% and then talk about context... that leads you to the conclusion that the Falcons have a better line the Saints.  Unfortunately the Falcons have a much shorter pocket time and the Saints just have a QB with a very high TT.

You honestly believe the Falcon's line is better than the Saint's OL?

Read.  The. Chart.  I included attempts.

Your desperate search for ONE number like PFF, or in this case pressure% to evaluate causes you to reach bizarre conclusions.

I put the the number of attempts, completions AND YARDS on the chart so you CAN see it in CONTEXT. 

I know in your mind pressure % includes ALL context.  It doesn't.

         Sacks <> Hurries

        Pressure% does not include pocket time.

         Attempts <> Yards

I'm not saying pressure % isn't useful....its better than pff, another single number you worship.

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2 hours ago, Snake said:

Yes but we are just getting started. The blueprint is out now dude. Hopefully Brown and maybe Christensen. 

 

You keep saying we are an 8 win team. So you have to use anything you can distort, to make yourself feel better.

 

It's one thing for the "Blueprint" to be out there. It's quite another to be able to actually execute said blueprint.

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14 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

LOL You Ignore all the other stats and just look at pressure% and then talk about context... that leads you to the conclusion that the Falcons have a better line the Saints.  Unfortunately the Falcons have a much shorter pocket time and the Saints just have a QB with a very high TT.

You honestly believe the Falcon's line is better than the Saint's OL?

Read.  The. Chart.  I included attempts.

Your desperate search for ONE number like PFF, or in this case pressure% to evaluate causes you to reach bizarre conclusions.

I put the the number of attempts, completions AND YARDS on the chart so you CAN see it in CONTEXT. 

I know in your mind pressure % includes ALL context.  It doesn't.

         Sacks <> Hurries

        Pressure% does not include pocket time.

         Attempts <> Yards

I'm not saying pressure % isn't useful....its better than pff, another single number you worship.

If you have already decided the Saints OL is better than the Falcons why are you even looking at stats?

The Falcons might not have the better perceived OL, or better OL over the past few years, but based on the stats you listed, they have played better during a small 4 game sample.

I'm not looking for a magical single stat, I just said on the chart that you listed the single best metric is pressure %.

Do you not agree with that?  If you don't agree with that which single stat do you think is better?

 

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but based on the stats you listed, they have played better during a small 4 game sample.

 

This is patently false.  These stats include pocket time.
 

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Yes.  Yes you are.

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On 10/6/2021 at 11:59 AM, Davidson Deac II said:

The ironic thing was that we did establish the run.  For most of the first half, we were getting 5-10 yards per attempt.  

Agreed, but with our OL, we need to stay out of obvious passing downs as much as possible. 

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