At number 6 the Carolina Panthers select...Charles Cross???

[SuperBowlBound]

The Panthers had multiple opportunities to address center in round 2 in 2021 - he now plays in Kansas City and is pretty good. 

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Growl said:

this is just a dumb take that reeks of something you read on a draft blog and not a legitimate way to build an NFL team

calling a franchise QB “gratification” or a “luxury” or whatever other stupid buzzword you weirdoes who live in debilitating fear of a “bust”  as if you have some personal investment at stake in this specific pick’s success is just dumb and out of touch with what it takes to win in the current NFL.

Dude you are saying a pick a qb just to pick a qb at 6.  That might be the most moronic thing posted on this thread.   

[theinstrumental]

Cross is pretty good. This team still needs help just about everywhere, though. It would help more if they can move back and grab Trevor Penning, Linderbaum, or Kenyon Green and add some picks to keep building the roster. Even if Cross is great and BC slots in at guard, they'll need one more guard and still be stuck with Elflein at center. This isn't a one player fix. 

[Growl]

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude you are saying a pick a qb just to pick a qb at 6.  That might be the most moronic thing posted on this thread.   

To be clear, you don’t feel the position is valuable, or you have a well defined and predictable roadmap for acquiring one elsewhere this off-season?

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

To be clear, you don’t feel the position is valuable, or you have a well defined and predictable roadmap for acquiring one elsewhere this off-season?

Sweet Christ.  Dont put words in my mouth.  I never said the position isnt valuable, in fact I have said numerous times on here I wouldve been fine with picking fields and rolling with Teddy one more year.

 

However by leaning into the drafts strengths, which is oline, then we have a plan in place to build a functional foundation.  This poo of switching qbs every year is retarded.  Roll with sam one more year and address the qb situation next offseason.  Its not sexy, its going to hurt but its a plan.  This crazy nonsense about trading for a vet is just dumb. We traded for a vet and gave him an extension.  They made this bed now they have to sleep in it.  We cannot keep this lunatic cycle of putting in garbage qbs behind this garbage line and expect different results.

Build the fuging oline this year and get the qb next offseason.  I dont get the urgency of trying to find another guy after the 3 we just went through.  Havent we learned our goddamn lesson yet?

[Growl]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Sweet Christ.  Dont put words in my mouth.  I never said the position isnt valuable, in fact I have said numerous times on here I wouldve been fine with picking fields and rolling with Teddy one more year.

 

However by leaning into the drafts strengths, which is oline, then we have a plan in place to build a functional foundation.  This poo of switching qbs every year is retarded.  Roll with sam one more year and address the qb situation next offseason.  Its not sexy, its going to hurt but its a plan.  This crazy nonsense about trading for a vet is just dumb. We traded for a vet and gave him an extension.  They made this bed now they have to sleep in it.  We cannot keep this lunatic cycle of putting in garbage qbs behind this garbage line and expect different results.

Build the fuging oline this year and get the qb next offseason.  I dont get the urgency of trying to find another guy after the 3 we just went through.  Havent we learned our goddamn lesson yet?

Lol you want to put Sam Darnold out there again? That’s your plan?

 

hahahahaha no thanks. Having the same QB from year to year isn’t an ideal to be accomplished if the QB is the leagues worst. What QB will the panthers be able to acquire next offseason? Which QBs will be available? Where will they be drafting?

unless you know the answers to those questions then you cannot bypass having a bird in hand.

 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

Lol you want to put Sam Darnold out there again? That’s your plan?

 

hahahahaha no thanks. Having the same QB from year to year isn’t an ideal to be accomplished if the QB is the leagues worst. What QB will the panthers be able to acquire next offseason? Which QBs will be available? Where will they be drafting?

unless you know the answers to those questions then you cannot bypass having a bird in hand.

 

Yes I want to roll Darnold out there again.  It accomplishes 2 major things.  Its a quick route for Rhule to get fired and its a straight line to get another top 10 pick.  Then we can address the qb position in the draft.  This poo isnt hard. 

 

And yeah I am about 150% certain that if we run both Rhule out there as HC and Sam as qb we will be picking really high.  Look at rhules past 2 years and look at Sams last 4 years.  See a trend?  I do.

 

Also what bird in hand are you talking about?  The bird in hand we have is owed 18 million and we gave up a 2nd for. 

Edited January 10, 2022 by mrcompletely11

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

If the panthers had done it the other way around last draft, if they had taken the QB presented to them despite it being deemed a “weak class,” the panthers would have the most important position on the field solidified and an open venue of top picks to select from

you could take a LT, you could also take a premiere edge rusher who can actually set the edge and not have to overpay Hassan reddick, or you could’ve taken the CB now

You never pass on a top QB prospects when you have a need a QB. You only delay your ability to properly assess where your roster is.

it would be great to be talking one of these guys-one of these “can’t miss” tackles will certainly be there past pick #12 or so-but you can’t keep doubling down on the same mistake.

 

it’s time to draft a QB.

I think a lot of us see it from an opposing view. I don't think you can properly assess a QB on your roster if he has a crap offensive line in front of him. We couldn't have had a good feel for what Fields or Jones could do if we had drafted either of them this year. If you put any of the QB's in the class of 2022 behind our current OL they will all look like busts.

Just look at how up and down Trevor Lawrence's first year went in Jacksonville. He's considered a once in a generation talent. He didn't look like one this past season because of a woeful OL and a team with limited roster talent.

It's time we fixed the line. Ironically, if we hadn't traded down twice in the 2nd round, or given away our 2nd and 3rd rounders this year, we'd probably be set at OL after the 2022 draft and heading into the regular season.

[Growl]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Yes I want to roll Darnold out there again.  It accomplishes 2 major things.  Its a quick route for Rhule to get fired and its a straight line to get another top 10 pick.  Then we can address the qb position in the draft.  This poo isnt hard. 

 

And yeah I am about 150% certain that if we run both Rhule out there as HC and Sam as qb we will be picking really high.  Look at rhules past 2 years and look at Sams last 4 years.  See a trend?  I do.

Starting Sam darnold at QB again is not an option and it isn’t going to happen. Furthermore, when the panthers are picking at 9 next season, we are once again going to have to listen to you prattle about how the QB talent just isn’t there and that we should wait another year. At some point you have sack up and face the prospect of drafting a bust. The good news is that if your rookie QB does implode you can simply try again next season, but you have to at least purchase an opportunity at success. There is no opportunity for success with Sam darnold.

 

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I think a lot of us see it from an opposing view. I don't think you can properly assess a QB on your roster if he has a crap offensive line in front of him. We couldn't have had a good feel for what Fields or Jones could do if we had drafted either of them this year. If you put any of the QB's in the class of 2022 behind our current OL they will all look like busts.

Just look at how up and down Trevor Lawrence's first year went in Jacksonville. He's considered a once in a generation talent. He didn't look like one this past season because of a woeful OL and a team with limited roster talent.

It's time we fixed the line. Ironically, if we hadn't traded down twice in the 2nd round, or given away our 2nd and 3rd rounders this year, we'd probably be set at OL after the 2022 draft and heading into the regular season.

It doesn’t matter, acquiring one is a whole lot more difficult than acquiring the other. You take the opportunities to do so when presented to you. 

[mrcompletely11]

Growl in your scenario how do we fix the line?

[trueblade]

18 minutes ago, Growl said:

Starting Sam darnold at QB again is not an option and it isn’t going to happen.

PJ Walker signing indicates Rhule will be retained and has full roster control so when Sam will definitely start against in 2022.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, trueblade said:

PJ Walker signing indicates Rhule will be retained and has full roster control so when Sam will definitely start against in 2022.

At 18 million you can bet your ass Darnold is starting week 1

[SCO96]

10 minutes ago, Growl said:

It doesn’t matter, acquiring one is a whole lot more difficult than acquiring the other. You take the opportunities to do so when presented to you. 

We'd be all in on a QB if you had a great prospect in the 1st round this year. However, almost every pundit feels that none of the guys in this year's draft is worthy of a top 10 draft spot. If we draft a below average talent out of desperation it'll only set us back more.

This team is now a year behind on the rebuild due to our terrible 2021 season. If we can fix the O-line in 2022, any QB we acquire afterwards (draft or FA) should be in a good position to succeed. No one is going to thrive behind out current line.