What matters: a QB’s talent or their situation?

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

A smart coach would do that. But building a great oline takes time. 

A solid team would be drafting oline in every draft to keep the oline deep and prevent having to shell out large contracts to aging vets.

A smart team would be taking a qb in every draft that is deep in qbs even with an established qb. Again, to hedge yourself against injuries or contract stalemates.

A smart team would not throw second contracts at non-productive players that are a dime a dozen.

I could go on and on about what could have and should have been done to change things. But I'm losing interest in helping Rhule figure this poo out.

 

Well, we have drafted OL in most of our recent drafts. Many of them just sucked.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Well, we have drafted OL in most of our recent drafts. Many of them just sucked.

They chose poorly. 

[Tbe]

12 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Kurt Warner told a similar story. He was actually in the Packers training camp once as an undrafted free agent. He got cut, and even if he had made the team he would've never started because Brett Favre was entrenched as the QB in Green Bay. He ended up in Europe and the Arena League before getting another shot in the NFL. 

Warner won two MVP awards, played in 3 SB's (winning one, and losing the other 2 by less than 7 total points), and ended up in the Hall of Fame. He said had he somehow remained in GB behind Favre none of the above would have had a chance of happening. In fact Warner was never suppose to lead "The Greatest Show on Turf". He only got a chance when starter Trent Green went down with an injury early in the 1999 season.

Warner was able to have fate smile on him. It makes you wonder how many other people could have had success in the NFL but were never given an opportunity shine because of a lack of opportunity (bad team, no playing time, injury, team politics, etc)

A ton of guys. I always think about Bradberry. Dude went to a no name college and was drafted far ahead of where he should have.

Anyone else like him would have been drafted in the 5-6th round and bounced out of the league in a few years.

Instead, he gets handed a starting job on day one on a good defense with intense 1:1 coaching from Wilks.

He sucked at first but all that playing time added up and he eventually becomes the #1 corner for a minute with a huge contract.

[rayzor]

44 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

A smart coach would do that. But building a great oline takes time. 

A solid team would be drafting oline in every draft to keep the oline deep and prevent having to shell out large contracts to aging vets.

A smart team would be taking a qb in every draft that is deep in qbs even with an established qb. Again, to hedge yourself against injuries or contract stalemates.

A smart team would not throw second contracts at non-productive players that are a dime a dozen.

I could go on and on about what could have and should have been done to change things. But I'm losing interest in helping Rhule figure this poo out.

 

Maybe next coach will come in with a solid legit plan on how to build a good team.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Maybe next coach will come in with a solid legit plan on how to build a good team.

I'm hoping Tepper hires Colbert as a consultant to come in to assess the situation and tell him what to do. It starts at the top. Short of that I doubt it matters much what the plan is.

[Lurk21]

Just going by all the scenarios,  it has me changing my mind to giving Baker a shot. I say so because  it'd be a 1 year prove it not only for him but for Rhule. If it works out with the improvements  we have, then cool. If things go south, we are no longer tied to Baker, Darnold or Rhule. I don't like the idea of getting a rookie and then Rhule gets fired and the new regime is ready to pick HIS GUY.  

[MHS831]

A good supporting cast makes an average QB good.  A bad supporting cast makes an average QB bad.

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

Just going by all the scenarios,  it has me changing my mind to giving Baker a shot. I say so because  it'd be a 1 year prove it not only for him but for Rhule. If it works out with the improvements  we have, then cool. If things go south, we are no longer tied to Baker, Darnold or Rhule. I don't like the idea of getting a rookie and then Rhule gets fired and the new regime is ready to pick HIS GUY.  

The lastest Buzz--and I have not read the entire thread---is that Baker could be going to Tampa Bay....I saw this proposed ion the NFL Network--a station I have been watching 5 hours per day because I have no life.

[Lurk21]

@MHS831 Yeah i read that and Ian also stated he thinks us over Seattle if Baker money goes down. Knowing our luck he would go to Tampa and when Brady retires, he goes back to 2020 Baker. People forget he went toe to toe with Mahomes and even helped beat Pittsburgh in the post season.  Not criwning him but the scenario fits us better because  Rhule doesnt desebe to set us back with a rookie. #

[bythenbrs]

Yes…

[SCO96]

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The lastest Buzz--and I have not read the entire thread---is that Baker could be going to Tampa Bay....I saw this proposed ion the NFL Network--a station I have been watching 5 hours per day because I have no life.

Yesterday, one of the media pundits was highly in favor of this move. He said Baker has the talent to play in the NFL. But, he felt Baker was lacking maturity and wasn't mentally ready to lead a team. He reasoned who better to learn from than Tom Brady. 

Tom won't play forever. It might not be a bad idea to have his replacement in house. Plus, if Tom does get hurt and miss games, Baker isn't a bad guy to call off of the bench. I'm sure Kyle Trask would be ticked off, but it really isn't a bad strategy if you have the cap space and if Baker could swallow his pride.

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

@MHS831 Yeah i read that and Ian also stated he thinks us over Seattle if Baker money goes down. Knowing our luck he would go to Tampa and when Brady retires, he goes back to 2020 Baker. People forget he went toe to toe with Mahomes and even helped beat Pittsburgh in the post season.  Not criwning him but the scenario fits us better because  Rhule doesnt desebe to set us back with a rookie. #

Tom Brady would punch Baker in the face if he goes there. Please let this happen. 

[Lurk21]

Phone started acting up but  crowning* and deserve*

[Lurk21]

@Jon Snow Lol.... I definitely  could see that but definitely  could see Baker and Arians getting into it because  Arians mouth is ruthless too.