Don't Forget Cornbread

[TylerDurden]

Not sure how he or BC fit into the equation now, but we've discussed BC quite a bit this offseason...  I, and many, project BC will kick into LG as the starter now with the addition of Ickey.  And I know we also just drafted Mays, and have Corbett starting on the right, but it seems Brown has gotten lost or forgotten in the shuffle.  I think a lot of where he falls is dependent on whether Campen thinks he's a mean enough SOB, but I was impressed in what little we saw of him last season.  So, at the very least, even if he ends up latching on as a backup with a year of experience and development under his belt, our weakest position group for years may have just flipped to one of the NFL's best units in one offseason.  It'll be interesting to see what his role ends up being this coming season with all of the moves we have made...  I think it's possible he could push BC for snaps at LG too.

Great job, Fitt.

[MillionDollarCam]

I really think it depends on if Brady can play LG, up to this point it hasn’t been a great experiment as he performed better at LT. Worst case scenario is Ickey gets kicked inside for a year and mauls the poo out of people while they see if Brady can be a good LT.

If Brady doesn’t pan out then of course you have Ickey ready at LT and Deonte Brown and Cade Mays ready to fight for for that LG position.

If neither one of them fixes the problem then you address the guard position in next years draft with a second round pick or so.

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I really think it depends on if Brady can play LG, up to this point it hasn’t been a great experiment as he performed better at LT. Worst case scenario is Ickey gets kicked inside for a year and mauls the poo out of people while they see if Brady can be a good LT.

If Brady doesn’t pan out then of course you have Ickey ready at LT and Deonte Brown and Cade Mays ready to fight for for that LG position.

If neither one of them fixes the problem then you address the guard position in next years draft with a second round pick or so.

No, Ickey was the 6th pick in the draft, you don't take an OL with the 6th pick and play him at Guard while starting your 3rd rounder the previous year at LT just because you're not sure if the 3rd rounder is good enough to play Guard.

You play the stud at LT and if the 3rd rounder can't cut it at Guard, you put someone else in there.

Easy decision here unless Ickey comes in and just looks horrible at LT, which seems rather unlikely to happen.

[rayzor]

With Campen, he could be great depth and even a starter in a year or two. 

[Jon Snow]

[MillionDollarCam]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, Ickey was the 6th pick in the draft, you don't take an OL with the 6th pick and play him at Guard while starting your 3rd rounder the previous year at LT just because you're not sure if the 3rd rounder is good enough to play Guard.

You play the stud at LT and if the 3rd rounder can't cut it at Guard, you put someone else in there.

Easy decision here unless Ickey comes in and just looks horrible at LT, which seems rather unlikely to happen.

You do if it puts the best five players out on the field.

You don’t play Ickey at LT and then play Erving next to him because at that point you’ve negated Ickey’s impact because he’s covering for Erving.

Best five guys play and if Ickey has to slide inside for 1 YEAR then so be it.

Edited April 30, 2022 by MillionDollarCam

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

You do if it puts the best five players out on the field.

You don’t play Ickey at LT and then play Erving next to him because at that point you’ve negated Ickey’s impact because he’s covering for Erving.

Best five guys play and if Ickey has to slide inside for 1 YEAR then so be it.

Ickey might already be our best OL, and we've started 16 players at LT in the last 8 seasons since Gross retired.  Unless he significantly struggles at LT in camp and just can't be trusted out there, he's our starting LT week 1 without question.  

if Brady can't play at LG next to someone like Ickey, then he's not going to succeed at LT either.  And if he does succeed at LT, you say Ickey is only meant to play Guard for 1 year, then what happens next year?

Do you then swap them?  and if so, then what was the point in playing Brady at LT this year?

Ickey is our starting LT, Brady is option A at LG, but if he can't cut it, you do anything other than move Ickey inside unless he's also struggling at LT.

[chknwing]

were going to convert cornbread to a running back

Edited April 30, 2022 by chknwing

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Ickey might already be our best OL, and we've started 16 players at LT in the last 8 seasons since Gross retired.  Unless he significantly struggles at LT in camp and just can't be trusted out there, he's our starting LT week 1 without question.  

if Brady can't play at LG next to someone like Ickey, then he's not going to succeed at LT either.  And if he does succeed at LT, you say Ickey is only meant to play Guard for 1 year, then what happens next year?

Do you then swap them?  and if so, then what was the point in playing Brady at LT this year?

Ickey is our starting LT, Brady is option A at LG, but if he can't cut it, you do anything other than move Ickey inside unless he's also struggling at LT.

I think we are getting ahead of ourself if we think Ickey is going to be better than Moton on day one.

And the point is you nor I don’t know what we have in Brady.

It goes back to the fact that the players already on the roster deserve a chance to prove their worth.

[DaveThePanther2008]

32 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I really think it depends on if Brady can play LG, up to this point it hasn’t been a great experiment as he performed better at LT. Worst case scenario is Ickey gets kicked inside for a year and mauls the poo out of people while they see if Brady can be a good LT.

If Brady doesn’t pan out then of course you have Ickey ready at LT and Deonte Brown and Cade Mays ready to fight for for that LG position.

If neither one of them fixes the problem then you address the guard position in next years draft with a second round pick or so.

Offensively, I think BC at LT and Icky inside would be a pretty nasty left side.  

However, if they move BC inside and Icky at LT I think Campen will get BC up to speed and make him a  good guard. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Offensively, I think BC at LT and Icky inside would be a pretty nasty left side.  

However, if they move BC inside and Icky at LT I think Campen will get BC up to speed and make him a  good guard. 

I just can't think of any reason that starting our 2022 1st rounder and 6th overall pick at LG and starting our 2021 3rd round pick at LT makes any sense at all.

Now if Brady played all year at LT last year and was good, it's a different story, and in that scenario, we probably don't even take Ickey.  But that's not at all the scenario, even if Brady is better at LT than LG, you don't draft an OL at #6 and start him at Guard over a Tackle/Guard combo taken in the 3rd round the previous year and had minimal game action as a rookie.

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Offensively, I think BC at LT and Icky inside would be a pretty nasty left side.  

However, if they move BC inside and Icky at LT I think Campen will get BC up to speed and make him a  good guard. 

That’s what I’m hoping for but if for some reason BC simply continues to struggle at LG I’d much rather have the best five on the field then see Erving out there.

[Aussie Tank]

I just want to see Cam Erving cut 

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

That’s what I’m hoping for but if for some reason BC simply continues to struggle at LG I’d much rather have the best five on the field then see Erving out there.

At DB, DL, LB, sure, you play someone out of position if it means getting the best players on the field for that position, even if it means one player not at their ideal position.

But LT is the second most important position on the team after QB, I don't care how much the LG struggles, you don't move a franchise LT inside to Guard, period.  

If Brady was that much better of an LT than LG, then he'd have been playing out there before the final couple weeks of the season last year.  Short of Ickey being a complete turnstile at LT, there is absolutely no scenario I can think of to where he plays any position other than LT.

There is a reason you'll see undrafted players come in and start at Guard as rookies and can quickly become pro bowlers.  You don't see undrafted players do that at LT, it just doesn't happen, there is a reason for it.

Edited April 30, 2022 by tukafan21