Darnold Props

[USC/panthers_11]

26 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam is elite. Well who can argue with this? What a relief it is to know he has fully arrived.

The poster didn't say he was elite. Recheck what was typed.

In regard to your other post, Sam is certainly a better option than PJ Walker, which is not saying much. 

[PappyMay]

If we go to playoffs I hope we extend him for a 2 year deal with most all the guarantees being paid up year one minus 3-4 million. Let’s see if he can keep the game managing up.  I was more concerned with our secondary today than Sam’s game managing. 

[Krovvy]

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I don’t believe bridgewater has ever played behind a shitty online in his entire career… I guess this year with Miami. So why are his YPC numbers not higher?

Wait. Do you think the Panthers offensive line from this year is in anyway comparable to the offensive line he played with from 2020? Remember the meme here has been "can he play left tackle" for the last decade.

Make no mistake, this year's offensive line is special. It's one of the best since 2009.

Regardless, who really cares about YPA when the results are similar. This again is extrapolating Sam's best 4 games in recent memory. When I'm talking about Teddy, I'm referring to actual data.

 

[CPF4LIFE]

42 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

A) This team can't compete for a championship

2) Sam does what McAdoo tells him to do

D) When the Lions let you run for THAT much, you don't need to elevate anything

A) Of course they cant right now. But Eventually they will, so EVENTUALLY YOU NEED TO GET A QB THAT CAN ELEVATE play and win you games.

2) Of course Sam does what Mcadoo tells him to do which is hand the ball off majority of the time because THEY DONT TRUST HIM TO DO MORE...a blind man can see that. Which is still a PROBLEM for the team when you are ready to compete with the top teams.

D) We dont play the lions every sunday so OBVIOUSLY i wasnt just referring to this game. So it goes back to my main point, Sam darnold is cool against the lions and their trash run defense but you arent beating the top teams in the conference much less the AFC. CLEARLY.

 

 

[CPF4LIFE]

Sam Darnold at his best is probably Ryan tannehill for us. But even we see thatll hasnt been getting the Titans that far. 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Wait. Do you think the Panthers offensive line from this year is in anyway comparable to the offensive line he played with from 2020? Remember the meme here has been "can he play left tackle" for the last decade.

Make no mistake, this year's offensive line is special. It's one of the best since 2009.

Regardless, who really cares about YPA when the results are similar. This again is extrapolating Sam's best 4 games in recent memory. When I'm talking about Teddy, I'm referring to actual data.

 

I’m just curious why you chose to compare Sam darnold to TB5 when Teddy’s number wouldn’t hit the value in comparison that you are extrapolating Sam to.  Just a weird comparison. Especially when there is a huge difference between the two on throw types. 

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Sam Darnold at his best is probably Ryan tannehill for us. But even we see thatll hasnt been getting the Titans that far. 

Titans issue hasn’t been tane… it’s due to their old gm shredding the defense and skills players of talent and making poor draft decisions year after year.

Edited December 24, 2022 by TheCasillas

[stirs]

The Oline is the key, not as much the QB

If Oline performs, Sam will be fine and running game will be fine

[stirs]

The key signing in the offseason is Bozeman

Different Oline and different team with him

[Krovvy]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

I’m just curious why you chose to compare Sam darnold to TB5 when Teddy’s number wouldn’t hit the value in comparison that you are extrapolating Sam to.  Just a weird comparison. Especially when there is a huge difference between the two on throw types. 

I mean, again, we're talking about a singular statistic that at the end of the day has no real bearing on performance overall. Though if you're so fascinated by this, again singular, statistic I can say that in Darnold's career, year by year, his YPA is much lower than Teddy's, if that even matters to you.

You do realize that one poor performance and that average could return to the mean, right?

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I don’t believe bridgewater has ever played behind a shitty online in his entire career… I guess this year with Miami. So why are his YPC numbers not higher?

Yards per completion

1. Jacob Eason (19.67 - 1 GP)

2. Gardner Minshew (17.00 - 3GP)

3. Jordan Love (15.50 - 3GP)

4. Teddy Bridgewater (14.11 - 4GP)

5. Sam Darnold (14.00 - 4 GP)

If you want to set a threshold, say of at least eight games played, then you’d be looking at:

1. Tua Tagovailoa - 13.33

2. Zach Wilson - 12.79

3. Patrick Mahomes - 12.16

4. Jalen Hurts - 12.14

5. Marcus Mariota - 12.06

You could also argue that air yards is a more important stat in regards to a QB stretching the field.

Air Yards Per Attempt

1. Jamies Winston - 6.0

2. Tua Tagovailoa - 5.7

3. Mitch Trubisky - 5.1

4. Bailey Zappe - 5.1

5. Teddy Bridgewater - 5.1

All in all, I’d say it’s pretty obvious that Miami’s offense is built around stretching the field, regardless of who the QB is.

 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Yards per completion

1. Jacob Eason (19.67 - 1 GP)

2. Gardner Minshew (17.00 - 3GP)

3. Jordan Love (15.50 - 3GP)

4. Teddy Bridgewater (14.11 - 4GP)

5. Sam Darnold (14.00 - 4 GP)

If you want to set a threshold, say of at least eight games played, then you’d be looking at:

1. Tua Tagovailoa - 13.33

2. Zach Wilson - 12.79

3. Patrick Mahomes - 12.16

4. Jalen Hurts - 12.14

5. Marcus Mariota - 12.06

You could also argue that air yards is a more important stat in regards to a QB stretching the field.

Air Yards Per Attempt

1. Jamies Winston - 6.0

2. Tua Tagovailoa - 5.7

3. Mitch Trubisky - 5.1

4. Bailey Zappe - 5.1

5. Teddy Bridgewater - 5.1

All in all, I’d say it’s pretty obvious that Miami’s offense is built around stretching the field, regardless of who the QB is.

 

Thank you for this. I appreciate you pulling this together. Looks like the other poster wanted to turn this into an argument as opposed to just review some data. 
 

have a happy holiday!

[TheSpecialJuan]

Having a good o-line makes a huge difference 

[Krovvy]

9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Thank you for this. I appreciate you pulling this together. Looks like the other poster wanted to turn this into an argument as opposed to just review some data. 
 

have a happy holiday!

What? Did you want me to google it for you? Why didn't you give me the statistic if there was some point to be made?

At the end of the day the production is the same, and that's still based off four games. This isn't accounting for the inevitable.

This is just sad.

Edited December 25, 2022 by Krovvy