Get the WR's now, use 2nd pick for defense

[Sub Zero]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Hopkins is 30 my man.

 

We can agree to disagree.

He will be 31 by the season (June 6 bday)

and he still isn’t Adams, Hill or Brown anymore.

And the last part has been established..

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

Our starters are good but we don’t have depth. We need another draft and off-season after this year to fill some holes and build depth. Next year, if the QB pick hits, we have a chance to really make some noise. 

[Sub Zero]

1 minute ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Our starters are good but we don’t have depth. We need another draft and off-season after this year to fill some holes and build depth. Next year, if the QB pick hits, we have a chance to really make some noise. 

Exactly..

Acting like this is a instant Conference contender just by adding 1 WR is Madden thinking…

[CarolinaRideorDie]

57 minutes ago, travisura said:

It was Hopkins + a 4th, in exchange for David Johnson, a 2nd, and a future 4th. And at the time it was widely regarded as a dumb trade on Houston's part, for giving up a top 5 WR in his prime for that little. So I'm not sure we can use that trade as a good benchmark.

I agree that it was dumb trade, that's why I don't think he is even worth a 2nd at this point. If he wants to come home and finish his career in Carolina that would be incentive to come here. Also I really believe that with this staff and the right rookie QB, we can be a play off team this year in a weak division. Arizona is not going to the playoff next year with Murray out for a prolonged time. 

[CarolinaRideorDie]

6 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

He will be 31 by the season (June 6 bday)

and he still isn’t Adams, Hill or Brown anymore.

And the last part has been established..

If Panthers are interested in Theilen at age 32, they surely would be interested in Hopkins at 31. I don't expect Hopkins or Theilen to save the day but their exp and production is invaluable to a rookie QB at this time. 

[bobcat91]

2 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

If Panthers are interested in Theilen at age 32, they surely would be interested in Hopkins at 31. I don't expect Hopkins or Theilen to save the day but their exp and production is invaluable to a rookie QB at this time. 

The difference is salary. One is not going to ask to be paid 20 mil

[Sub Zero]

13 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

If Panthers are interested in Theilen at age 32, they surely would be interested in Hopkins at 31. I don't expect Hopkins or Theilen to save the day but their exp and production is invaluable to a rookie QB at this time. 

Okay that’s not the debate…

Is Dhop interested in us is..

[Sub Zero]

13 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So what made you say 32?

 

You don't have to lie to make your argument look better.

What made you say 30?? 
I saw 32 somewhere but what is the big difference ??

Also when do you answer any thing I post like

4-3 3-4 switch 

injuries and depth 

A whole new offense 

All that contradicts your “conference contender “ narrative??

Edited March 17, 2023 by Sub Zero

[Sub Zero]

20 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

If Panthers are interested in Theilen at age 32, they surely would be interested in Hopkins at 31. I don't expect Hopkins or Theilen to save the day but their exp and production is invaluable to a rookie QB at this time. 

And Theilen not signing here is the same reason DHop might not want to be here..

[Sub Zero]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Born: June 6, 1992 (age 30 years), Central, SC

 

30 is his actual age.

 

 

Will he be playing here at 30 or 31??

And since you want to focus on me saying his age wrong (by a year) while not debating anything I brought up to you .. 

Have a nice day..

[Sub Zero]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Hopkins is not a FA my man. 

He still has say where he goes.. He is at the vet years to have a non trade clause in his contract my Man!!

[Sub Zero]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/deandre-hopkins-12307/
 

And before you try and look it up so you can be right about something today..

He had a non trade clause but it could be voided by his ped suspension.. 
 

So AZ can force trade him here but he probably isn’t giving any relief on his contract and I think has a bigger cap hit in 24’ .. So unless he is willing to restructure I’m not giving any more then a 4th for Dhop..

[CarolinaRideorDie]

17 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Okay that’s not the debate…

Is Dhop interested in us is..

Does Dhop have a no trade clause? If he does then sure he can refuse to come here, but if he don't then he is going to the highest bidder. DJ Moore didn't have a say in going to Chicago 

 

[Sub Zero]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My man he wants a new contract. He will probably play anywhere. 

 

He's been on bad teams his entire career the Texans and Cardinals haven't exactly been contending for anything...

And you want to give a 32 year old WR a new contract??

Which will be the age he wants that contract..

Because no intelligent team is giving him a better contract then he has now.. His next contract is his last and will be much less then he’s making now..