Bryce Young under Center

[top dawg]

Elway, Favre, Doug Williams, Marino, Moon: these are the guys who were known for strong arms. Don't let anyone convince you youngsters that either Manning, Brady or Brees were ever known for strong arms. It's not accurate.

[top dawg]

Hell, Vick had a strong arm. Unfortunately for most guys with strong arms, that's not a prerequisite to win championships in the NFL. Honestly it's probably the guys that could process in nanoseconds, read defenses, were anal about film study, had decent protection, coaching and players that made for the best QBs on a consistent basis. I believe that that's still true today.

Edited April 9, 2023 by top dawg

[Lame Duck]

53 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

I also would reply with only a gif if called out and can’t back it up cause I made it all up 

He has a noodle arm. Facts

[Martin]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hell, Vick had a strong arm. Unfortunately for most guys with strong arms, that's not a prerequisite to win championships in the NFL. Honestly it's probably the guys that could process in nanoseconds, read defenses, were anal about film study, had decent protection, coaching and players that made for the best QBs on a consistent basis. I believe that that's still true today.

I’m prefer Stroud, and  believe the same thing. I like it even more when you can combine it with a strong arm, that’s the ideal situation.

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, Martin said:

Personally I only use discredited sources since nobody credible would even dare to think Young is anything short of perfect in any way.

I know you're being funny, but I think Young is going to have to learn when to stop trying to extend the play. He may be the type that may make you pull your hair out sometimes by trying to do too much, but he's a really sharp kid, so I think he'll adapt to the speed of the pros relatively quickly. It's going to help him greatly that he played in a pro-style offense. 

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

He has a noodle arm. Facts

[Martin]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I know you're being funny, but I think Young is going to have to learn when to stop trying to extend the play. He may be the type that may make you pull your hair out sometimes by trying to do too much, but he's a really sharp kid, so I think he'll adapt to the speed of the pros relatively quickly. It's going to help him greatly that he played in a pro-style offense. 

I appreciate you interpreting it correctly

I believe they have different areas where they are better than each other, but in general they are close in most of them. However, most of the time it does feel like the Young supporters believe that Young is better or the same in every area. Him being short is actually great and one of his many strengths etc. It is ok to admit he’s not perfect. He can still be your guy. I think that’s where a lot if the discussions go sideways. 

[stan786]

11 minutes ago, Martin said:

I appreciate you interpreting it correctly

I believe they have different areas where they are better than each other, but in general they are close in most of them. However, most of the time it does feel like the Young supporters believe that Young is better or the same in every area. Him being short is actually great and one of his many strengths etc. It is ok to admit he’s not perfect. He can still be your guy. I think that’s where a lot if the discussions go sideways. 

Feels like I’ve spent most my time trying to discuss where I think Bryce needs to improve and why I think his special qualities separates him. I haven’t had anyone on the Stroud side tell me their view on what’s a struggle with Stroud and where his weak points may be, it usually just devolves to “well Bryce is going to get crushed like a Prius getting hit by a semi” or “he’ll get smashed like a bug on my windshield”.

I’d love some great convo on prospects that actually dives into them a bit. 

[Martin]

3 minutes ago, stan786 said:

Feels like I’ve spent most my time trying to discuss where I think Bryce needs to improve and why I think his special qualities separates him. I haven’t had anyone on the Stroud side tell me their view on what’s a struggle with Stroud and where his weak points may be, it usually just devolves to “well Bryce is going to get crushed like a Prius getting hit by a semi” or “he’ll get smashed like a bug on my windshield”.

I’d love some great convo on prospects that actually dives into them a bit. 

From what I’ve seen you’ve been extremely open to discuss strengths and weaknesses. The majority has not.

[top dawg]

18 minutes ago, Martin said:

I appreciate you interpreting it correctly

I believe they have different areas where they are better than each other, but in general they are close in most of them. However, most of the time it does feel like the Young supporters believe that Young is better or the same in every area. Him being short is actually great and one of his many strengths etc. It is ok to admit he’s not perfect. He can still be your guy. I think that’s where a lot if the discussions go sideways. 

Young is not a big guy, and I absolutely hope that he doesn't get racked up and ragdolled by guys with bad intentions, and learns to be very judicious about taking unnecessary chances and hits. I also hope that Stroud is blooming Stroud that we saw against Georgia, because he's going to face the same guys with bad intentions, and his efficiency dropped noticeably when facing pressure.

I'm not overly impressed with the Underwear Olympics, but I'll give Stroud a smiley face sticker for participating. 

These are my main questions regarding these guys. Size for one. Pressure for the other.

[stan786]

Just now, Martin said:

From what I’ve seen you’ve been extremely open to discuss strengths and weaknesses. The majority has not.

I think there’s a ton of hyperbole on both sides right now it makes it a bit difficult. But also I’m so antsy about this pick I can’t not talk about it lmao.

[Jackie Lee]

3 minutes ago, stan786 said:

Feels like I’ve spent most my time trying to discuss where I think Bryce needs to improve and why I think his special qualities separates him. I haven’t had anyone on the Stroud side tell me their view on what’s a struggle with Stroud and where his weak points may be, it usually just devolves to “well Bryce is going to get crushed like a Prius getting hit by a semi” or “he’ll get smashed like a bug on my windshield”.

I’d love some great convo on prospects that actually dives into them a bit. 

Stroud's last game he did what everyone wanted to see him do so not much to it. If he looks close to that week in and week out that's a franchise qb

[stan786]

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Stroud's last game he did what everyone wanted to see him do so not much to it. If he looks close to that week in and week out that's a franchise qb

Yeah that Georgia game was great. I do get a lot of this comes down to how much do you believe that’s the future Stroud. I guess my one issue with that is I can point to single game Young tape I find just as Incredible, but that doesn’t seem to give him a pass in here on any of his flaws. 
 

It’s a team message board I can’t expect unbiased fairness, and I totally understand your POV on Georgia was enough. Just more wanted to comment on it since Bryce fans keep getting called out for thinking he’d perfect when I just feel a lot of them have admitted his shortcomings(lol).

[Martin]

5 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I think there’s a ton of hyperbole on both sides right now it makes it a bit difficult. But also I’m so antsy about this pick I can’t not talk about it lmao.

Hahaha, I’m the same way. I tell myself to step away, but then I get pulled back in.