Hall of Famer Bill Parcells on Bryce Young's Size: 'He Better Walk on Water'

[SameDamnThing]

The trends show that average player weight in particular is dropping across the board. Height is a factor still primarily for purposes of pass defense and pass offense. There was also a time when backs under 5’ 10” was considered somewhat problematic. Certainly a time when a WR couldn’t be shorter than 6’1 or so. In modern times, there aren’t hardly any Top 25 WR that are taller than 6’2”. Chase, Hill, etc. being right at or under 6’. It’s a speed game now. 
 

when we talk about QB speed, it’s not about how fast they run. It’s about speed of processing, speed of release, speed of identifying blitzes, and speed of getting the ball out of their hands. Bryce is almost inarguably the top available in all those categories. Stroud is an amazing prospect and his size makes you feel a lot better about his chances, but Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray have both won games in this league. Drew Brees won games. In bygone times, teams wouldn’t even consider allowing a player under 6’ to win their QB job no matter what. Parcells is from that school. It’s an antiquated position. The point is that if you’re special, you’re an exception. Bryce Young is special. Imagine the difference between a basketball player that was 6’10” and dominant and a team refusing to draft them because there was another player who in most respects was seen as inferior, but was 6’11.5. Get a ruler out and visualize how much 1 inch and 1/8th actually is and see if you should define a player on that. To me, the hand measurements are a bigger concern by and large because they make a play by play impact on ball security and off schedule throws. That isn’t the issue here. 
 

Seattle put forth the blueprint. Have a line full of big nasties and in combination with the rules regarding touching the QB, it shouldn’t be a career altering problem. Again, it’s more about speed from snap to release than it is about 40 time. NFL offenses are run now to move at high percentage and not entirely by long developing plays down the field. Luke was talking about this and talked about how frustrating it was to never be able to touch Brees because the ball was already gone. That’s the same type of football brain you have here and the testing supports it. 

[rippadonn]

I'm in the correct thread. If you don't question BY, there is a BY slurping thread somewhere here. Find it.

[TheMaulClaw]

It's not the size of the boat it's the motion of the ocean.

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, SameDamnThing said:

when we talk about QB speed, it’s not about how fast they run. It’s about speed of processing, speed of release, speed of identifying blitzes, and speed of getting the ball out of their hands. Bryce is almost inarguably the top available in all those categories. 

Where are you seeing the stat he has the best release throwing the football in this class and speed of getting the ball out of his hands? One of the things he is praised for is not giving up on plays and hanging onto the ball while scrambling looking for something to open up. Which is great in college, for his running speed, but we will see how well that translates to doing that against NFL defenders. 

[rippadonn]

7 minutes ago, SameDamnThing said:

The trends show that average player weight in particular is dropping across the board. Height is a factor still primarily for purposes of pass defense and pass offense. There was also a time when backs under 5’ 10” was considered somewhat problematic. Certainly a time when a WR couldn’t be shorter than 6’1 or so. In modern times, there aren’t hardly any Top 25 WR that are taller than 6’2”. Chase, Hill, etc. being right at or under 6’. It’s a speed game now. 
 

when we talk about QB speed, it’s not about how fast they run. It’s about speed of processing, speed of release, speed of identifying blitzes, and speed of getting the ball out of their hands. Bryce is almost inarguably the top available in all those categories. Stroud is an amazing prospect and his size makes you feel a lot better about his chances, but Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray have both won games in this league. Drew Brees won games. In bygone times, teams wouldn’t even consider allowing a player under 6’ to win their QB job no matter what. Parcells is from that school. It’s an antiquated position. The point is that if you’re special, you’re an exception. Bryce Young is special. Imagine the difference between a basketball player that was 6’10” and dominant and a team refusing to draft them because there was another player who in most respects was seen as inferior, but was 6’11.5. Get a ruler out and visualize how much 1 inch and 1/8th actually is and see if you should define a player on that. To me, the hand measurements are a bigger concern by and large because they make a play by play impact on ball security and off schedule throws. That isn’t the issue here. 
 

Seattle put forth the blueprint. Have a line full of big nasties and in combination with the rules regarding touching the QB, it shouldn’t be a career altering problem. Again, it’s more about speed from snap to release than it is about 40 time. NFL offenses are run now to move at high percentage and not entirely by long developing plays down the field. Luke was talking about this and talked about how frustrating it was to never be able to touch Brees because the ball was already gone. That’s the same type of football brain you have here and the testing supports it. 

It's not about how fast they run it's the fact that a guy like Corral statistically is a better QB AND can run the rock. THATS the modern game.

Don't worry, someone will show you with AR.

[rippadonn]

49 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Extending plays in and out of the pocket? Have you read or seen anything about him? His game’s compared mostly to Mahomes and Wilson are they old school pocket passers too?

Any NFL DC worth his paycheck can take that away. Then what? He's not Kyler.

[PanthersGOATFan336]

54 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

Extending plays in and out of the pocket? Have you read or seen anything about him? His game’s compared mostly to Mahomes and Wilson are they old school pocket passers too?

Why does he always have to extend, can't stand tall in the pocket?

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

This guy is still in here losing his mind over a draft pick? Sometimes things don’t go your way. Grow up and move on.

You are a hard core Brycer now. I didn't see that coming.

I still love you though.

[rippadonn]

I'm going hard for the hope of The Legend 2.0, the Son of Cam.

When all else is debatable, go big or go home.

Edited April 22, 2023 by rippadonn

[Pantherzilla91]

This guy likes to hear himself talk 

[rippadonn]

Just now, Pantherzilla91 said:

This guy likes to hear himself talk 

What are you doing here?

[rippadonn]

Public service. Getting us SB ready, not set back on an experiment with the smallest instead of experimenting with the biggest.

I have more time to poke holes in fanboy theory these days...

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Public service. Getting us SB ready, not set back on an experiment with the smallest instead of experimenting with the biggest.

I have more time to poke holes in fanboy theory these days...

Talk to Steve Smith.

 

[SameDamnThing]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Where are you seeing the stat he has the best release throwing the football in this class and speed of getting the ball out of his hands? One of the things he is praised for is not giving up on plays and hanging onto the ball while scrambling looking for something to open up. Which is great in college, for his running speed, but we will see how well that translates to doing that against NFL defenders. 

It’s not really a stat in traditional sense. But scouts have long been discussing his quick progressions, throwing mechanics, and decision making. Most QB guys I’ve seen scout him talk about the mechanics as being really strong. If he holds the ball too long that will have to be coached out of him if possible. Honestly there’s a lot about Bryce that will be trial and error to see if it translates, but nobody is questioning his football brain. To me, that’s a really strong base. I think Stroud has one as well despite the testing stuff, but it hasn’t been touted at the same level as Bryce. I think both will be good players but Bryce has special potential that’s almost intangible.