ESPN’s Matt Miller: “There's a lot of like for C.J. Stroud there, but Bryce won the entire organization over.”

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

You cant look at who he loved or liked. Thats called emotion. Look at what happened and what has it produced.

He hired a bad HC and gave him control. He fired that mistake 2.5 years into his 7 year contract and then had a committee help hire his new HC who is actually qualified to do the job. 
 

Ok now what does all of that have to do with him deciding who we draft?

[jayboogieman]

37 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

you cant stop a accurate pass.

Tell that to the Dlineman that bats the ball down, the DB that makes a great play on the ball and picks it off, or the receiver that drops the pass.

[CPF4LIFE]

Fitt probably knows this might be his last chance at bat, you dont take the guy the owner wants AGAIN and you risk getting canned sooner than later.

[CPF4LIFE]

46 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Na bro. Ive watched Stroud alot. His footwork and accuracy is lethal. The way he held it down in the GA game without Harrison half the game showed he is ready. He has always been very smooth with his passes and has a great arm. I dont want no magician in the backfield. Magic tricks get found out but you cant stop a accurate pass.

BIG FACTS.

[ncsfinest21]

25 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He hired a bad HC and gave him control. He fired that mistake 2.5 years into his 7 year contract and then had a committee help hire his new HC who is actually qualified to do the job. 
 

Ok now what does all of that have to do with him deciding who we draft?

Because wasnt Tepper that liked Matt Rhule when there were better coaches than a college head coach. Just says he bases things off emotion. Wasnt he the one that was going to let his wife be part of decision making for a coach. The list goes on. Just shows he bases things off emotion and the results backfire. Thats all Im saying. I believe the staff really wants Stroud because who wouldnt want a QB thats accurate. Knows how to set his feet and deliver the ball in stride. Ive seen Alabama games and family is Bama fans and they say dont draft Bryce. His footwork is sloppy at times and there has been alot of times he has had open receivers but couldnt see them because his height. He cant throw the slant because he cant see the linebackers behind the oline and dline. He will be a bust. Just relaying the message.

[BlackPanther22]

8 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Because wasnt Tepper that liked Matt Rhule when there were better coaches than a college head coach. Just says he bases things off emotion. Wasnt he the one that was going to let his wife be part of decision making for a coach. The list goes on. Just shows he bases things off emotion and the results backfire. Thats all Im saying. I believe the staff really wants Stroud because who wouldnt want a QB thats accurate. Knows how to set his feet and deliver the ball in stride. Ive seen Alabama games and family is Bama fans and they say dont draft Bryce. His footwork is sloppy at times and there has been alot of times he has had open receivers but couldnt see them because his height. He cant throw the slant because he cant see the linebackers behind the oline and dline. He will be a bust. Just relaying the message.

I wouldn't be so sure about that tbh. We've had a couple mods in this thread tell us that they've heard that if it wasn't gonna be Bryce it'd be AR and that lines up with the recent reporting around AR and him being the choice in a trade back scenario. 

And in general I hate when folks talk about these QB's and their fate in the league for definitively. Whether it's being so certain dude will have an injury riddled career, or just saying that he's for sure gonna be a bust. Like can we at least wait until these dudes take a snap in the league before writing the book on their careers, and that's in a positive or negative light. Like we ain't gotta crown him as the second coming but we also don't gotta act like he's destined to fail. 

Also disagree with the slant comment because it shows up on tape when Bama runs their RPO's, and he routinely makes throws over the middle. 

[ncsfinest21]

6 minutes ago, BlackPanther22 said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that tbh. We've had a couple mods in this thread tell us that they've heard that if it wasn't gonna be Bryce it'd be AR and that lines up with the recent reporting around AR and him being the choice in a trade back scenario. 

And in general I hate when folks talk about these QB's and their fate in the league for definitively. Whether it's being so certain dude will have an injury riddled career, or just saying that he's for sure gonna be a bust. Like can we at least wait until these dudes take a snap in the league before writing the book on their careers, and that's in a positive or negative light. Like we ain't gotta crown him as the second coming but we also don't gotta act like he's destined to fail. 

Also disagree with the slant comment because it shows up on tape when Bama runs their RPO's, and he routinely makes throws over the middle. 

Do you think we will run shotgun all game long. If we get him Id go for him but as of now I dont see how he becomes good until year 4 or 5 after we get rid of him.

[FuFuLamePoo]

1 hour ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Thats why you get a pocket passer. Tom Brady didnt get hurt often. Neither did Peyton. Get someone that can deliver the ball accurately and see the field. Get Stroud

I like Stroud plenty but I simply can't imagine watching creators like Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen take over the league and think "that's why you get a pocket passer." 

[BlackPanther22]

14 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Do you think we will run shotgun all game long. If we get him Id go for him but as of now I dont see how he becomes good until year 4 or 5 after we get rid of him.

I'm sure we're gonna be in shotgun a lot regardless of who the QB would be just because that's the way the league has been trending. I mean the Eagles ran out of shotgun a bunch last year and according to Miles Sanders, our offense super similar to theirs with the RPO action and what not, so it's not implausible. I think they'll run some under center concepts too even if Bryce is the QB. They may not do it a lot but I think they'll do it. 

Here's a good article of the increased usage of shotgun formation over the past few seasons:

https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/nfl-teams-moving-out-from-under-cenet-riding-shotgunnfl-teams-riding-shotgun/

Edited April 24, 2023 by BlackPanther22

[ncsfinest21]

3 minutes ago, BlackPanther22 said:

I'm sure we're gonna be in shotgun a lot regardless of who the QB would be just because that's the way the league has been trending. I mean the Eagles ran out of shotgun a bunch last year and according to Miles Sanders, our offense super similar to theirs with the RPO action and what not, so it's not implausible. I think they'll run some under center concepts too even if Bryce is the QB. They may not do it a lot but I think they'll do it. 

Here's a good website with a breakdown of the percentages of shotgun vs under center snaps there were for each team in the league:

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html

 You'll see most of the numbers skew heavily towards shotgun formation for most of the teams in the league, so I don't think it'll be an issue. 

Ok. We will see. Thanks for the stats. Very enlightening. I hope he does well man. Just want to see us win for once. Tired of the mediocrity. We gave up alot and this could wreck us if it isnt right.

[stan786]

17 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Do you think we will run shotgun all game long. If we get him Id go for him but as of now I dont see how he becomes good until year 4 or 5 after we get rid of him.

Why do you think it’s going to take 4 or 5 years to be good?

[ncsfinest21]

Just now, stan786 said:

Why do you think it’s going to take 4 or 5 years to be good?

Because most QB's under 6' it takes  years to adjust to the NFL especially height wise. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Not really. It's basically a 3 year window. If it fails then Frank and Fitt are likely gone and by that time we have our 1st rd pick back.

 

It's gonna work though Young is the right pick. The doubters will believe when he starts winning games.

It always blows my mind how people fail to realize this. People say "picking the wrong quarterback sets you back 5-6 years!!" but like, no it doesn't? Hell the Jets realized after two Zach Wilson wasn't the guy and they're already able to explore other options since they feel they have a roster ready to win now. You'll probably know after those first 2-3 seasons if your guy is someone worth building around or not. And as you alluded to, we're only going one year without a first round pick. If we draft a bust a bunch of people will lose their jobs, but none of us and we can just try again when the time comes. Biggest fear is drafting someone bane average like Daniel Jones but convincing yourself he can take you all the way, which nobody else believes.

[ncsfinest21]

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Not really. It's basically a 3 year window. If it fails then Frank and Fitt are likely gone and by that time we have our 1st rd pick back.

 

It's gonna work though Young is the right pick. The doubters will believe when he starts winning games.

I hope so. But thats also 3 years wasted and watching another QB that we had a chance at thrive.

Edited April 24, 2023 by ncsfinest21