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[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Rhule gave Ian Thomas 16 mil over 3 years one season ago. He has managed less thank 1k in that same 5 year timeframe as Hurst with his best season coming his rookie year.

I think we can all agree Hurst is better. 

Also, only 13 Million of that contract is guaranteed for Hurst (Thomas will get roughly 8-9 Million when it's all said and done thanks to the guarantees and restructure). Neither will see the full value of either contracts. 

Hurst is definitely better but as of now on paper that just means we have two bad contracts on paper at TE. Lots of these former high round draft picks make way more money for way longer than they should as team after team thinks they can find in the guy what no one else has. Every now and then it turns out to be the case but more often than not it turns out to be a mistake.

[96Bravo]

Does anyone remember the VERY brief time we had Dan Arnold a couple of years ago? Not the greatest TE,  yet made more of an impression in just a few games than our other TE's. 

I know Hurst will be even better.

[Smithers]

39 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

He was a 6th round pick, not a 1st so seeing the field in year 1 and looking like the starter in year 2 is exceeding expectations. Apples and oranges.

It was a joke

[Gerry Green]

3 minutes ago, 96Bravo said:

Does anyone remember the VERY brief time we had Dan Arnold a couple of years ago? Not the greatest TE,  yet made more of an impression in just a few games than our other TE's. 

I know Hurst will be even better.

 

Hurst is the most athletic TE we've had in maybe forever. If Bryce even comes close to ROY, I expect it to be in part because Hayden had a really good year.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Gerry Green said:

 

I don't see a Bust having a 75% catch rate.

I don't see a Bust turning 55% of those catches into 1st downs,

I don't see a Bust getting a 3 year deal.

 

But hey, maybe that's just me.

Yeah, it’s just you.  Being called a bust has to to do with your draft position.   You essentially could clone an average NFL starter and have one drafted top 5 and one in the 7th…..one gets deemed a bust.  One deemed a great pick.   Same dude. 

Hurst was a first round pick.  He has only logged 5 seasons and already bounced to 3 teams in that span.  Now on team 4.   

Hurst was a bust.   Can you be a bust and still be a legit NFL player? Yes.   Again, the whole 2 things can be true aspect that people don’t seem to be able to handle anymore. 

Baker and Sam were in that draft.  They were busts too.    You can go cherry pick some random stat for them too. 

[Gerry Green]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Yeah, it’s just you.  Being called a bust has to to do with your draft position.   You essentially could clone an average NFL starter and have one drafted top 5 and one in the 7th…..one gets deemed a bust.  One deemed a great pick.   Same dude. 

Hurst was a first round pick.  He has only logged 5 seasons and already bounced to 3 teams in that span.  Now on team 4.   

Hurst was a bust.   Can you be a bust and still be a legit NFL player? Yes.   Again, the whole 2 things can be true aspect that people don’t seem to be able to handle anymore. 

Baker and Sam were in that draft.  They were busts too.    You can go cherry pick some random stat for them too. 

 

Stop saying you can be a Bust, and still be a good player. They are opposites. 

 

That's all well and good but it leaves out one key point. Context. He has never been better than a #3, if that, in his career. Hard to stat pad when you get less targets. 

 

It's already been posted in this thread some of the WR/TE he was behind. 

 

You claim he has no stats. I claim he wasn't given the opportunity to produce more, A victim of circumstances so it were,

 

I give you your opinion. You enjoy your day. Cuz I am done. 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Stop saying you can be a Bust, and still be a good player. They are opposites. 

 

That's all well and good but it leaves out one key point. Context. He has never been better than a #3, if that, in his career. Hard to stat pad when you get less targets. 

 

It's already been posted in this thread some of the WR/TE he was behind. 

 

You claim he has no stats. I claim he wasn't given the opportunity to produce more, A victim of circumstances so it were,

 

I give you your opinion. You enjoy your day. Cuz I am done. 

Again, the bust tag has to do with draft position/performance. So yeah, you could be a solid 10 year NFL JAG…..and be a bust.  

2 things can be true.  But rarely accepted on message boards. 

[LinvilleGorge]

This is one of the dumber semantics based arguments I've seen someone try to make.

You can be hopeful of the Hurst signing based on stat cherry picking and athleticism. Cool. Makes sense. I can understand that. But don't try to play revisionist history and act like the guy isn't a bust as a former 1st round pick who has bounced around because he hasn't produced. That's just clownish.

[Jon Snow]

Being overdrafted places unfair expectations on players. A player does not get to choose what round they are selected in.

Carry on.

[Gerry Green]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is one of the dumber semantics based arguments I've seen someone try to make.

You can be hopeful of the Hurst signing based on stat cherry picking and athleticism. Cool. But don't try to play revisionist history and act like the guy isn't a bust as a former 1st round pick who has bounced around because he hasn't produced. That's just clownish.

 

Wow. Somebody got triggered. lol

 

Nice passive aggressiveness. Classic example

 

Damm dude, it's just the interwebz no need to take it personally,

 

All this because you can't change my mind. lol

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Gerry Green said:

 

Wow. Somebody got triggered. lol

 

Nice passive aggressiveness. Classic example

 

Damm dude, it's just the interwebz no need to take it personally,

 

All this because you can't change my mind. lol

Thanks for proving my point.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Being overdrafted places unfair expectations on players. A player does not get to choose what round they are selected in.

Carry on.

True.   Sucks for Hurst. 

Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews have been the face of that O in Baltimore.  And they were both drafted in the same draft as Hurst.  But behind him.  One WAY behind him at the same position.  But there is no way the football world isn’t going to deem that a busted first round pick given that.  No one should be upset the label applies to him. 

[panthers55]

If Hurst was a bust with 1700 yards in 5 years but we got him for free,  would you trade a 3rd round pick for a 1st rounder who had 2000 yards  in 4 years or would you think he wasn't worth that??

 

 

 

 

 

Glad we didn't think that when we traded Chicago for Greg Olsen.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If Hurst was a bust with 1700 yards in 5 years but we got him for free,  would you trade a 3rd round pick for a 1st rounder who had 2000 yards  in 4 years or would you think he wasn't worth that??

 

 

 

 

 

Glad we didn't think that when we traded Chicago for Greg Olsen.

Olsen had 600+ and 8 TDs in his third season before Martz came to town. Martz was famous for not involving TEs in his passing game. The Bears hiring Martz at OC was the gift that allowed us to steal Olsen from them. He was progressing nicely after an underwhelming rookie year getting better every year before Martz came along. The situations just aren't very comparable even though the baseline talent probably is.