Praise for Mingo

[WhoKnows]

8 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

 

It's okay. You can let that fear of the past go. It's a new dawn, it's a new day. Let's see what happens when the actual games start before we downplay our players. 

 

That said. You are one of the most negative posters around. Hard to take your criticisms seriously.

 

Edit to ask: How many of our depth guys can you even name. Let alone make proclamations about their ability.

SMH, you can never address people’s post, just condescending replies. Did we get any pressure on the Jets without Burns? How’s we do without Horn against Tampa in our biggest game in years? How do you think our DL would do without Brown? What if Shaq or Luvu go down at LB? Our D can be good if we stay healthy, but he’s correct that we are not deep behind our marquee guys. Please tell us who the depth guys are that could replace the guys I mentioned.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't think we improved from last season?

 

Better coaching staff, upgrade at QB, pretty talented defense. I think it would be a disappointment if we ended the season with 7 wins given our schedule.

Talk to vegas

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Vegas doesn't speak for me. Im expecting us to win the division and make the playoffs.

Sure

[WhoKnows]

31 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You don't think we improved from last season?

 

Better coaching staff, upgrade at QB, pretty talented defense. I think it would be a disappointment if we ended the season with 7 wins given our schedule.

We could finish 7-10 and still be vastly improved. We had a last place schedule in 2022. We play Dallas, Miami and Seattle (instead of Giants, Detroit and Denver) in our 2nd place schedule this year. We were 4-2 in division and 3-8 out of division. If Atlanta and NO seem improved as well, going 3-3 or 4-2 could be playing way better than 2022.

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

We could finish 7-10 and still be vastly improved. We had a last place schedule in 2022. We play Dallas, Miami and Seattle (instead of Giants, Detroit and Denver) in our 2nd place schedule this year. We were 4-2 in division and 3-8 out of division. If Atlanta and NO seem improved as well, going 3-3 or 4-2 could be playing way better than 2022.

you are confusing him with facts

[Martin]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

SMH, you can never address people’s post, just condescending replies. Did we get any pressure on the Jets without Burns? How’s we do without Horn against Tampa in our biggest game in years? How do you think our DL would do without Brown? What if Shaq or Luvu go down at LB? Our D can be good if we stay healthy, but he’s correct that we are not deep behind our marquee guys. Please tell us who the depth guys are that could replace the guys I mentioned.

Just curious, how many teams in the league has the depth to replace all of their star players without regressing? Only a handful in my estimation.

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

These are not your Matt Rhule Panthers anymore.

 

We win the division last year if Steve Wilks coached all season. He had to clean up Rhule's garbage and still almost led us to the playoffs.

 

If we upgraded at HC and QB im expecting playoffs. That's just me though. Other people may feel differently.

In the past decade the nfc south winner has won double digit games all but 2 times.   Last year and us in 2014.   There has never been a wild card team with single digit wins in 20 years.   So unless you truly think this team can win 11-12 games then I would not hold my breath on the playoffs.   I just hope to see progression and competency for this team and staff.  

 

In closing last year was a complete aberration and not anywhere close to the norm.  You are looking at things ass backwards

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't know how many games we win. Im just expecting us to win this division. If we do that we're in the playoffs.

 

I would say 10 wins is realistic this year.

10 wins has won the nfc south 4 times in the last 20 years.   

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, Martin said:

Just curious, how many teams in the league has the depth to replace all of their star players without regressing? Only a handful in my estimation.

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

[Martin]

51 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

All fair points. I just think most teams are thin in a couple of areas and are one or two injuries away. We are not unique in that. But of course I’d like better depth. Jets as an example are deep on defense but very thin on their o-line.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

The point wasn’t all the stars. We gave up 207 yards and 3 TDs to a guy who was having his worst year in the league up to that point because we were missing Horn. We still had Brown, Luvu, Shaq and Burns but just Horn out and the D was terrible. That’s my point about thin. I don’t think there’s a star on the team that we can replace and not have a big drop off where the opponents can take advantage. 49ers lost their starting QB, best WR and a ton of guys on D for many weeks and still had a good enough record to make the playoffs. If the Eagles lost a 10 sack guy last year, they would still have had one of the best DLs for pressuring the QB. Dallas had a backup go 4-1 and Elliott has fallen off a cliff the last 3 years and their 2nd RB has been amazing and they went 12-5. Those are 3 examples off the top of my head where teams had a lot of depth to still pressure the QB without the best pass rusher or had an offense with multiple elite guys.

It’s not a bad thing. We finally got our QB and have some young talent but I think we are fooling ourselves to think we’ve got the depth of the other playoff teams. Tampa beat us to win the division and Dallas curb stomped them. Even with Wilks and the running game we were 3-8 against non-NFC South teams and that was with an easy/last place schedule.

In the past couple drafts we’ve traded away 7 draft picks and that doesn’t include our 2024 1st and 2025 2nd or the 3rd we used on Corral. I’m glad to have Young but we gave away and entire draft and more of picks including 5 day 1 and day 2 picks. That’s why we are thin right now and aren’t finished with building a perennial contender.

You have to remember that those teams have had years of great drafting and smart offseason signings to get where they are.  The Panthers have struggled mightily at that for quite sometime now. I'm not sure you can compare us to those teams right now. Even if Fitterer nails the next draft and FA I still say we will need more depth just about every position.  It takes a great GM to build a perennial contender.  The jury is still out on Fitts.

[pantherclaw]

6 hours ago, OceanPanther said:

I’m not so sure about that. I can’t locate every preseason game in our history..  but none I found , had a more Lackluster offense , and keep a preseason defense on the field so long.. lost by 27.

Yeah, we looked pretty bad.. Thanks goodness it’s preseason.  

I remember Clausen. Worse oline. Worse offense.  Worse defense. 

Oh the pain. 

[WhoKnows]

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

You have to remember that those teams have had years of great drafting and smart offseason signings to get where they are.  The Panthers have struggled mightily at that for quite sometime now. I'm not sure you can compare us to those teams right now. Even if Fitterer nails the next draft and FA I still say we will need more depth just about every position.  It takes a great GM to build a perennial contender.  The jury is still out on Fitts.

Agree 100%. Our drafting has been on the bad side for a while. Between the picks we’ve traded away and the reaches, we haven’t built enough talent to compete perennially yet. Young is a huge key if we do or not, but we have up a lot so we’ll have to overcome that a bit as well. We need some day 2/3 success stories. Easily replaceable starters don’t count.  We need to add more above average impact guys.

[Mistuh Jones]

I saw a report where he went in for a backiotomy - err an MRI/Xray and they said he'd be out for weeks