Bryce Bandwagon, Deep Throws

[MechaZain]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There is a long list of guys who looked great in college and it just didn't translate to the NFL for whatever reason. We've all seen the college highlights. They don't matter anymore in our context. If you're a Bama fan or college football fan wanting to talk about the college player, fully relevant. As it pertains to the Panthers currently? Couldn't possibly be more irrelevant. We are now watching him play in the NFL. That's what's relevant this point. The deep balls have been rare and when they have been thrown they've been terrible. That's just the harsh current reality.

But is that because he's not attempting guys downfield and just checking down or because deep balls aren't being called though? We've seen him audible into deep throws. 

I thought we were all in agreement that Reich's playcalling sucked but now y'all are implying the dink-and-dunk is all Bryce's fault.

Edited October 16, 2023 by MechaZain

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Can you share your data?  I'm seeing Joe Burrow dead last at 6.0.  And Bryce is at 6.4, 0.1 behind Mahomes (whose longest completed pass traveled 35 yards).

I'd like Young to take more deep shots to keep the defense honest, but my biggest issue with him which I've seen since Week 1, is his indecisiveness and his lack of an effective internal clock.  Whether it's launching the deep ball or throwing the check down or anything in between, he needs to get the ball out.  Without watching the All-22 each week, I still can't say how much of it is our receivers being absolutely blanketed on every play vs. Bryce just not seeing guys/progressing through his reads.  I've seen enough clips of him not targeting open receivers to know that he is part of the problem, but I still think playcalling is the biggest issue.

NFL Next Gen stats. Maybe they weren't updated after the latest game? I don't know.

Okay, second to dead last in that category behind a guy who has been playing hobbled all year 

[ECHornet]

There have been very few downfield shots taken where Bryce isn’t getting hit as he’s finishing his throwing motion. I agree he needs to improve there, but I also don’t think we’ve seen enough of it yet to definitively say it’s a problem. I’d love to see more downfield shots coming out of the bye week, and getting Corbett back to give us more resistance to onside pressure should help. 

[MasterAwesome]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

NFL Next Gen stats. Maybe they weren't updated after the latest game? I don't know.

Okay, second to dead last in that category behind a guy who has been playing hobbled all year 

Well, third to last...but also virtually identical to Patrick Mahomes.  Which is kinda my point - if we're keying in on a stat that puts Bryce Young on the same level as the best QB in the league, then I don't think that stat is as telling as we want it to be.  As I said, I would like him to take more deep shots but I think that largely boils down to our desire for "flashy" plays rather than truly what's holding this offense back.  I don't know if the lack of deep shots would even crack my Top 5 of things wrong with our offense at this point.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Well, third to last...but also virtually identical to Patrick Mahomes.  Which is kinda my point - if we're keying in on a stat that puts Bryce Young on the same level as the best QB in the league, then I don't think that stat is as telling as we want it to be.  As I said, I would like him to take more deep shots but I think that largely boils down to our desire for "flashy" plays rather than truly what's holding this offense back.  I don't know if the lack of deep shots would even crack my Top 5 of things wrong with our offense at this point.

That's fair. I mean, everyone definitely questions Patrick Mahomes' ability to throw deep with that noodle arm of his.

Honestly, I think our inability to threat defenses vertically is the #1 issue wrong with our offense.

[MasterAwesome]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's fair. I mean, everyone definitely questions Patrick Mahomes' ability to throw deep with that noodle arm of his.

"Bryce Young is dead last in Air Yards per attempt"

..."Okay whatever Bryce Young is second to last in Air Yards behind an injured QB"

..."Okay sorry Bryce Young is third to last in Air Yards"

..."Okay it's not even really about that stat at all"

That was quite the journey.

[Eric4280]

Oof another sick , awesome thread on a knitpicking thing for Bryce. Super original and awesome. Need more of these.

[Eric4280]

“I’m accepting he’s here but I low key can’t wait to make these threads 2.5 seconds after the game and clamor about how awesome Stroud is, but don’t worry I still support our guy wink wink”.

[ForJimmy]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's fair. I mean, everyone definitely questions Patrick Mahomes' ability to throw deep with that noodle arm of his.

Honestly, I think our inability to threat defenses vertically is the #1 issue wrong with our offense.

I think the point is sometimes offenses not calling for deep passes doesn't always mean the QB can't throw it deep.  Mahomes would be the case and point.  Young is getting hammered behind our OL and people are wondering why he doesn't throw it deep.  My guess would be pressure/time to set up the big throw?  Mahomes has had some issues with his OL plus weapons not names Kelce this year as well.  

I think our OL playing in the wrong scheme is the biggest issue with our offense.  The no huddle quick offense marched down the field twice and scored against a solid team at home.  Then we slow it down and watch our undersized QB get hit/pressured constantly.  It's very frustrating to watch as I am see most of us already know....

[ECHornet]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's fair. I mean, everyone definitely questions Patrick Mahomes' ability to throw deep with that noodle arm of his.

Honestly, I think our inability to threat defenses vertically is the #1 issue wrong with our offense.

To threaten defenses vertically, you need:

1 - deep threat WRs (we only have one in Chark and he’s below average as a starting WR in the NFL)

2 - an OL that can allow enough time for those WRs to get vertical. We have by far the worst starting guards in the NFL. This is obviously due to injury. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that we’re extremely susceptible to inside pressure. 
 

3 - a QB who can hit the mark when 1 & 2 are in place (they’re not)

 

4 - Offensive play calls that allow for it. Whether that’s due to the lack of 1, 2, 3, or all of the above, we don’t know. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by ECHornet

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

"Bryce Young is dead last in Air Yards per attempt"

..."Okay whatever Bryce Young is second to last in Air Yards behind an injured QB"

..."Okay sorry Bryce Young is third to last in Air Yards"

..."Okay it's not even really about that stat at all"

That was quite the journey.

The point is one guy and one offense has proven he can throw deep and opposing defenses have to respect that threat even if they aren't doing a lot of it at the moment.

The other guy and other offense hasn't.

I really didn't think that needed explaining, but there it is.

 

[ECHornet]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The point is one guy and one offense has proven he can throw deep and opposing defenses have to respect that threat even if they aren't doing a lot of it at the moment.

The other guy and other offense hasn't.

I really didn't think that needed explaining, but there it is.

 

Mahomes proved that with Tyreek Hill 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, ECHornet said:

Mahomes proved that with Tyreek Hill 

Tyreek Hill was in Miami last year when Mahomes led the league in both 20+ yard and 40+ yard completions.

[Varking]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Can you share your data?  I'm seeing Joe Burrow dead last at 6.0.  And Bryce is at 6.4, 0.1 behind Mahomes (whose longest completed pass traveled 35 yards).

I'd like Young to take more deep shots to keep the defense honest, but my biggest issue with him which I've seen since Week 1, is his indecisiveness and his lack of an effective internal clock.  Whether it's launching the deep ball or throwing the check down or anything in between, he needs to get the ball out.  Without watching the All-22 each week, I still can't say how much of it is our receivers being absolutely blanketed on every play vs. Bryce just not seeing guys/progressing through his reads.  I've seen enough clips of him not targeting open receivers to know that he is part of the problem, but I still think playcalling is the biggest issue.

Don’t expect to see Richardson at 12. The other rookies are airing it out.