Josh McCown beating out Matt Moore...

[Fireball77]

Look at some of those 1st rounders' performances in their SBs/playoff runs...not so hot. Peyton's team was built around him on offense, that is Polian's MO. Eli and Roeth were picked by teams that were already good/solid and not built/building around them which IMO is the ONLY way I would consider taking a QB in the first.

Montana was a 3rd rounder IIRC. Certainly, I think there's nothing wrong with taking a 2nd/third round QB in the next year or so, preferably 2010 as they need some pieces on D first and have no 1st rounder this year. But I agree with Mr. Scot pretty much, I think Jake has at least 3 years left in him and I do like McCown and Moore.

[2plankingpanther]

The latest depth chart shows McCown over Moore.

Thats bad news for Moore, who has actually started and won Panthers games.

One of those two guys likely will not be on the roster next season.

Can't keep both?

[scpanther22]

swordcat you must have forgoten that fox was interested in jamarcus russel.

[pantherfan49]

Moore shows more long term potential than McCown. Moore has exceptional pocket presence for such a young QB and seems to make reasonably smart decisions. Playing behind Delhomme isn't going to teach him exceptional decision making though.

Moore does get hurt often.

[mush]

Fox doesn't want a young rook in on discussions on the sideline and calling plays in to the offense. He wants someone with more experience that may be able to add to the discussion and help the starter out rather than a rook. The chance he may have to go in is relatively small.

Think Rodney Peete #2 behind Jake, then after a year or two Weinke as #2 behind Jake, now McCown behind Jake, etc. the trend is older vets as the #2 and not the youngling.

If something happened to your starter long term, then next week you could still with a week's gameplanning and practice still put the youngling in there to start if you so chose and the vet as #2 knows the drill and won't bitch about it.

[unicar15]

I'm sick of this Matt Moore for the future of the Panthers talk...He had almost the same stats as Carr in the same amount of playing time and the games that he started were essentially meaningless and against teams that had already locked up playoff spots (Dallas and then Tampa). He played pretty well against Seattle but it wasn't something to base the future on.

[rodeo]

high draft pick QBs usually suck because they go to the shitty teams with high draft picks. there's no telling how harrington or carr would've ended up if they went to the patriots or the like.

[9guys]

I miss Carr.... he loved anything with honey on it.... and I have a whole jar of honey on me right now..

[Mr. Scot]

Fox doesn't want a young rook in on discussions on the sideline and calling plays in to the offense. He wants someone with more experience that may be able to add to the discussion and help the starter out rather than a rook. The chance he may have to go in is relatively small.

Think Rodney Peete #2 behind Jake, then after a year or two Weinke as #2 behind Jake, now McCown behind Jake, etc. the trend is older vets as the #2 and not the youngling.

If something happened to your starter long term, then next week you could still with a week's gameplanning and practice still put the youngling in there to start if you so chose and the vet as #2 knows the drill and won't bitch about it.

And that's more to the point. Fox's philosophy is slanted against younger QBs, and while I'd stop short of saying that's definitely right, there's plenty of evidence to back it up.

Gambling and coming up wrong on a 1st round QB can set your team back for years. Fox is definitely not the only coach in the league who wants to avoid taking that route.

[goodlay]

there's a whole training camp to go through before this is a concern.

^ This.

[Fox007]

And that's more to the point.

Gambling and coming up wrong on a 1st round QB can set your team back for years. Fox is definitely not the only coach in the league who wants to avoid taking that route.

Well that goes both ways obviously, because you can strike gold.

It doesn't always have to be that first round QB that takes you over the top either. You can get good QB's 2nd+ too.

I personally think that the team has to fit their style around their QB. Or get a QB who fits a style they already have in place.

Often you will see a QB stuck in a system he can't succeed in.

I pretty much agree with that post about how those early QB's usually go to a bad team. Then ruin their careers before they even get a real chance, because the team is so bad.

[unicar15]

Well that goes both ways obviously, because you can strike gold.

It doesn't always have to be that first round QB that takes you over the top either. You can get good QB's 2nd+ too.

I personally think that the team has to fit their style around their QB. Or get a QB who fits a style they already have in place.

Often you will see a QB stuck in a system he can't succeed in.

I pretty much agree with that post about how those early QB's usually go to a bad team. Then ruin their careers before they even get a real chance, because the team is so bad.

I don't really want a 1st rounder or necessarily even a 2nd rounder I just want a kid with a strong arm, winning mentality, and the brains to be a great QB in this league. I don't want there to come a time when Jake is gone and we haven't even prepared for it. I want to have a franchise guy because we are set up now to have a really solid Oline and running game for probably the next 5 years. It would be the perfect time to start bringing a new kid in to learn the system. I don't want Jake to be like a Brett Favre who won't retire and we keep him around past his prime because we feel like we "need" him b/c we haven't prepared for life without him.

[goodlay]

Well that goes both ways obviously, because you can strike gold.

It doesn't always have to be that first round QB that takes you over the top either. You can get good QB's 2nd+ too.

I personally think that the team has to fit their style around their QB. Or get a QB who fits a style they already have in place.

Often you will see a QB stuck in a system he can't succeed in.

I pretty much agree with that post about how those early QB's usually go to a bad team. Then ruin their careers before they even get a real chance, because the team is so bad.

Drafting a 1st round QB is a double edged sword, really. You can get a guy like a Matt Ryan or a Joe Flacco, or you can get a guy like a David Carr or a Joey Harrington. It's definitely worth the risk with the situation those franchises were in. Also, you have to take into consideration the players available, it's not like coaches just take a QB when they have a top pick and their team sucks.

But for relevance to our situation, we definitely do not need a first or second round QB at the moment, and I really can't see us drafting one even in the later rounds. At the least, I could see us signing a FA QB, seeing we're in pretty good shape with Moore and McCown.

[Lt Pinkerton]

You're right, I would never say never about drafting a 1st round QB. At the same time though, people need to respect and understand that Fox's philosophy is a sound one. Where would we be right now if he had picked David Carr instead of Julius Peppers?

David Carr could have succeeded under our Offense and Coaching staff. Who knows?