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Ickey To The Bench

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4 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Probably should start wrapping our heads around this possibility. Hunt is the instant starter at RG. Lewis at LG has been the definition of a league average starter over his career ranking 32nd in pass block win rate among guards. I would not be surprised at all of Christensen beats out Ickey for the starting LT spot in Canales’ wide zone scheme, and I think Lewis would beat him out at LG. And we may still add more OL depth. It wouldn’t take much to beat out the Ickey we saw last year.

Especially if he sits on his ass all off-season like last year and doesn’t improve.

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4 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Probably should start wrapping our heads around this possibility. Hunt is the instant starter at RG. Lewis at LG has been the definition of a league average starter over his career ranking 32nd in pass block win rate among guards. I would not be surprised at all of Christensen beats out Ickey for the starting LT spot in Canales’ wide zone scheme, and I think Lewis would beat him out at LG. And we may still add more OL depth. It wouldn’t take much to beat out the Ickey we saw last year.

Especially if he sits on his ass all off-season like last year and doesn’t improve.

 

I disagree. I think his position coach spent more time being a mole on the team to David Tepper than actually coaching his guys up. Ickey wasn't the only one that sucked last year. The unit as a whole was gonna be better this year and with the FA addition, gonna be even better than that. Just watch......

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7 minutes ago, BULLETPRQQF said:

 

I disagree. I think his position coach spent more time being a mole on the team to David Tepper than actually coaching his guys up. Ickey wasn't the only one that sucked last year. The unit as a whole was gonna be better this year and with the FA addition, gonna be even better than that. Just watch......

I really hope so, tbh. I have no doubt the OL as a whole will be better than last year. My main problem with Ickey (besides getting beat like a drum) was his attitude. He came off as a guy that thought he had made it and could just coast. Didn’t seem to have that dawg in him that Morgan talks about. That and an OL guy (I think maybe Mike Wahle) pointed out that it didn’t look like Ickey was working on his craft in the off-season because the things you get from repetition like footwork hadn’t improved for him. Hopefully this past season was a wake up call.

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4 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm wondering if Icky is as bad of a fit for the scheme as Bozeman was.  There's no room for him to start at guard, and it sounds like BC is moving to the left tackle spot.

Man I swear some of the people here just love talking out of their rear, BOZEMAN was terrible because he he didn't have the lateral movement athleticism to move laterally in an inside/mesh zone scheme or slide in pass pro.

 

Ickey is in the top 14% of LTs from the last 37 years (over 1500).

 

His biggest STRENGTH is inside zone!

GOOGLE IS your friend.

 

 

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3 hours ago, t96 said:

can you expand on this with some evidence to back it up?

I'm not sure if he is being intentionally obtuse or just has no idea what zone blocking is, ICKEY excels at zone blocking.

4 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I wonder if he was secretly shopped behind the scenes some because he definitely doesnt fit the new blocking scheme either. 

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6 minutes ago, CarolinaWillRise said:

I'm not sure if he is being intentionally obtuse or just has no idea what zone blocking is, ICKEY excels at zone blocking.

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Are you familiar with the wide zone blocking scheme?   There are multiple types of zone blocking..

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1 hour ago, CarolinaWillRise said:

Man I swear some of the people here just love talking out of their rear, BOZEMAN was terrible because he he didn't have the lateral movement athleticism to move laterally in an inside/mesh zone scheme or slide in pass pro.

 

Ickey is in the top 14% of LTs from the last 37 years (over 1500).

 

His biggest STRENGTH is inside zone!

GOOGLE IS your friend.

 

 

Do the r

Inside zone and wide zone are completely different types of blocking. Maybe you should google it…

Last year, we incorporated a lot more wide zone, which is what Canales has been known for so far, and Ekwonu looked terrible.

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2 hours ago, CarolinaWillRise said:

Man I swear some of the people here just love talking out of their rear, BOZEMAN was terrible because he he didn't have the lateral movement athleticism to move laterally in an inside/mesh zone scheme or slide in pass pro.

 

Ickey is in the top 14% of LTs from the last 37 years (over 1500).

 

His biggest STRENGTH is inside zone!

GOOGLE IS your friend.

 

 

Do the r

You realize those combine measurements have nothing to do with actually executing a zone blocking scheme, right? Lots of combine warriors wash out of the league. There's a reason why a lot of not most analysts were actually projecting him as a guard in the NFL.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You realize those combine measurements have nothing to do with actually executing a zone blocking scheme, right? Lots of combine warriors wash out of the league. There's a reason why a lot of not most analysts were actually projecting him as a guard in the NFL.

I give you THE combine warrior. Well, not really warrior. More like giraffe on roller skates. 

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6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Folks, I do not know a lot, but I was an OL coach and i look for technique improvement when I watch videos or film.  Ickey was not coached.  Campen was absolutely horrible.  Ickey has the tools, he just needs to work on his feet, hands, and balance.  The light will come on, I am 90% sure.

Plus, they were implementing the scheme a week before the season started. Then it changed again and again throughout the year. Thanks for adding another layer of context to these asinine posts!

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4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I give you THE combine warrior. Well, not really warrior. More like giraffe on roller skates. 

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He looks good when he's allowed to play downhill and maul. Ask him to play in space or pass protect against speed rushers in obvious passing situations and it's struggle city. I hope he works out for us but on paper a wide zone scheme is magnifying his weaknesses and minimizing his strengths. We'll see how it goes. Kinda feels like Jeremy Chinn at FS though.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He looks good when he's allowed to play downhill and maul. Ask him to play in space or pass protect against speed rushers in obvious passing situations and it's struggle city. I hope he works out for us but on paper a wide zone scheme is magnifying his weaknesses and minimizing his strengths. We'll see how it goes. Kinda feels like Jeremy Chinn at FS though.

That's Greg Little. Not sure if you knew that or not. 

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