Multiple Trade Offers for Bryce

[kungfoodude]

33 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

his 2024 prorated 6m bonus is already counting in the salary cap.  converting it to dead money does not change that.  We call it dead money when the guy is gone, but before that we just call it signing bonus hitting the cap.

sportrac seems to suggest an in-season trade would not immediately accelerate the balance of dead money.  instead that would hit as dead money in 2025.  The rest of the guaranteed money is on his new team.  

I see what you are saying, essentially this is money already on the cap because it is factored in. Then the remainder hits as 2025 dead cap.

I wasn't thinking about that correctly as already being accounted for in the cap calculation. Given that, it actually would be reasonable to trade him with some limited finagling.

That being the case, they should consider a decent offer.

IMO, the ask should be a 3rd rounder. Overplaying the hand isn't really much of a risk. 4th rounders and lower are generally lower hit rate guys so the attraction to dump him for a 4th now versus a 5th or lower in the offseason isn't compelling. Wait it out until you get the price you want by the trade deadline.

We aren't in a weak position this time.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I see what you are saying, essentially this is money already on the cap because it is factored in. Then the remainder hits as 2025 dead cap.

I wasn't thinking about that correctly as already being accounted for in the cap calculation. Given that, it actually would be reasonable to trade him with some limited finagling.

That being the case, they should consider a decent offer.

IMO, the ask should be a 3rd rounder. Overplaying the hand isn't really much of a risk. 4th rounders and lower are generally lower hit rate guys so the attraction to dump him for a 4th now versus a 5th or lower in the offseason isn't compelling. Wait it out until you get the price you want by the trade deadline.

We aren't in a weak position this time.

Wait, wait....this is still not correct. The prorated amount on the 2024 cap is literally the 2nd year amount. He still has two years left on the deal. By rule, the dead cap for those last two years accelerates on to the current year(2024) and the following(2025). So it is an ADDITIONAL hit this league year. Just think of it as him being cut post June 1st(essentially what this is minus the actual base salary hit). 

[Jackie Lee]

He's already getting $8.6M this year as it stands, trading him would have the other team paying for his last 7 games which we would probably just break even with signing a guy to replace him. It frees up that $475k the trading team would be paying for. 

 

[grimesgoat]

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Wait, wait....this is still not correct. The prorated amount on the 2024 cap is literally the 2nd year amount. He still has two years left on the deal. By rule, the dead cap for those last two years accelerates on to the current year(2024) and the following(2025). So it is an ADDITIONAL hit this league year. Just think of it as him being cut post June 1st(essentially what this is minus the actual base salary hit). 

That's the confusing part.  I always thought it accelerated in the current year too, but sportrac has it spread into 2025 and 2026.  It would probably be impossible to absorb an additional 12m in the current season meaning they will have to hang on to him through this year, then try to move him in 2025, when they can spread the dead cap over 2025/2026 if they want.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

That's the confusing part.  I always thought it accelerated in the current year too, but sportrac has it spread into 2025 and 2026.  It would probably be impossible to absorb an additional 12m in the current season meaning they will have to hang on to him through this year, then try to move him in 2025, when they can spread the dead cap over 2025/2026 if they want.

It does acceralte to the current league year. If you read the rule, that is what happens.

That is why they posted the $8 mil dead cap hit. That's all new dead cap.

[kungfoodude]

18 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

He's already getting $8.6M this year as it stands, trading him would have the other team paying for his last 7 games which we would probably just break even with signing a guy to replace him. It frees up that $475k the trading team would be paying for. 

 

But also immediately incurs an additional dead cap lump sum, making it $8.2 total dead cap. The question is how much of that is "new" dead cap. I think it would be about an additional $6 mil, correct? If OTC is correct about the prorated bonus money, anyway.

Either way, I am curious to see when they opt to move him.

If he lasts into the 2025 season, I will interpret that as Tepper still doing Tepper things.

[Silent Majority]

I hear that Dalton is on a short leash because the team is going back to Bryce at some point this season. "We do think he has a future here." If true I'm speechless.

[jasonluckydog]

Young should just quit. Tell the Panthers to keep the money and give it to a special fan like that jasonluckydog kid. He seems nice enough.  

[strato]

32 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

I hear that Dalton is on a short leash because the team is going back to Bryce at some point this season. "We do think he has a future here." If true I'm speechless.

Yeah, his future here is to be showcased for a trade. Better be.

[Silent Majority]

9 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah, his future here is to be showcased for a trade. Better be.

fingers crossed.

[Jackie Lee]

43 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

I hear that Dalton is on a short leash because the team is going back to Bryce at some point this season. "We do think he has a future here." If true I'm speechless.

From where? David Newton?

[mrcompletely11]

43 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

I hear that Dalton is on a short leash because the team is going back to Bryce at some point this season. "We do think he has a future here." If true I'm speechless.

you need to get your ears checked

[Silent Majority]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

From where? David Newton?

Jay Glazer\Podcastersphere sources.

[strato]

He didn't even get Wally Pipped, a totally healthy don't call us we'll call you.