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CBS Sports: Daniel Jones as a potential option for the Panthers to consider.

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16 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I've thought we could go after Hooker but I'm not sure they would trade him away. Having a QB with a. Couple of seasons on the bench learning is quite the useful thing to have. They would probably want a 2nd or 3rd based on what they spent. If we could get him for a 4th I'd jump on it and not even blink. 

They took Hooker in the 3rd before Goff had that season last year and they signed him to a monster extension of $50+ million a season.

Through no fault of his own because Goff has been healthy, Hooker hasn't done anything to let the Lions ask for the same draft pick return on him that they used to take him, let alone to get a better round pick.

Their offense is built to work with a game manager QB, they could easily go out and get a vet QB as a backup that would be just as effective for them, if not more so than Hooker, as if Goff goes down and they need someone to step in, a vet QB with years of experience is probably going to give them a better chance of staying in contention.

If Goff were to go down next year, turning a SB caliber team over to a 3rd year guy who has thrown less than 10 passes in his career seems like a scary proposition.  He's a better project QB for a team still trying to find their future QB than a backup on a team with legit SB aspirations and needing to step in for an injured starter mid-season.

So for me, trying to get someone like Hooker is the best way to not completely punt on QB next year without going all in on a new QB which would take us out of the possibility of taking one in the 2026 draft, it's the best of both worlds.

I'd also throw Joe Milton into the mix there as well (I swear I'm not a Tennessee fan lol) as the Patriots have no need for him and he does have a legit cannon for an arm, see if you can harness that and improve his decision making to turn him into something legit.

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6 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Why not Malik Willis?

Because he's basically just Bryce but with probably better physical traits and not quite as good of a mental side of things, which in the end would be a wash.  Willis just lacks the potential upside that you'd get with a number of other options.

Either go for a lottery ticket guy like Hooker, or maybe a real long shot on someone like Joe Milton or Trey Lance and see what happens.  

I'd take any of Hooker, Milton, or Lance over Willis if we're going that route next year.  

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If we move off of Bryce this year and can bring him in cheap ($10M or under) I love it. Build up the rest of the roster and take a flyer on a super talented guy who just hasn’t had it all click yet. Keep him here a year or two and hopefully draft another guy 2026 

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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Not surprised.

 

Bad franchise will continue to be bad. Who needs to draft a QB when we can take on other teams trash QBs.

This team picked Bryce Young. Out of everybody. Paid about triple in draft and player capital for the privilege.

I don't care what they do it will not be as bad as that.

 

Hooker sounds fine to me. He played in the 4th quarter Sunday looked decent. Drop back guy, I like that. Why not.

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Call the Lions and try to trade for Hendon Hooker and then take T-Mac to give him a great weapon set with Hubbard, Brooks, T-Mac, XL, Coker, and Sanders.

He's only 3.5 years younger than Goff and he only has 2 years left on his contract.  Unless he doesn't even want a chance at a starting spot competition, he's not going to re-sign with them.  If they can get a draft pick for him and then go out and sign another vet to be their backup to Goff, I think they'd do it.

See if we can get him for a future mid round pick, like a 4th or 5th rounder a year or two from now and give him the full season as the starter to see if he has a future in the league and with us.

If he does, awesome, we just found our QB on the cheap.

If he doesn't, then we're likely going to be bad enough to have a Top 10 pick in a QB loaded draft in 2026.

They not drafting t mac lil bro

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5 minutes ago, Champagnepapi704 said:

They not drafting t mac lil bro

If he's there when we're picking, I think there is a VERY legitimate shot at it.

Assuming Thielen will be let go or traded, as I think we'll let him try to go play for a contender, our WR's for next season as of right now is XL and Coker, that's it.  And even fi we bring him back for the last year of his deal, then he's still not part of our future and doesn't really make our WR all that much better on the whole as he's really just a slot possession guy at this point.

I don't care what we all think they could both become at some point, that's legitimately one of the 5 worst WR rooms in the entire NFL, it's basically a #2 and hopefully someone who could be a solid #3.

A true outside #1 is maybe the biggest need we have right now if you eliminate QB from that discussion.  It's either a #1 WR or a top end pass rusher as our biggest need.

You can find pass rushers in free agency, and even if someone like Higgins were to hit the open market, I'd much rather draft T-Mac and use our cap room on a pass rusher than to use it on Higgins and then draft a pass rusher as T-Mac's upside is higher than Higgins and there isn't a can't miss pass rushing prospect in this draft class.

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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It could happen

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Give it to me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I just said, a #1 WR is right there with a pass rusher as our biggest non QB need.

XL, Coker, and maybe Theilen is a really bad WR room.  Sure, one with 2 guys with some good potential, but it's nowhere near good enough in today's NFL to be competitive.

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