Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Tyreek Hill

Panthers Fan 69

By Panthers Fan 69,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

Basbear Grand Master

Basbear

Posted
Posted (edited)

Hes lost a level or two and not worth the 30+ million he's due. Just a bad fit for the Panthers. 

 

KC is maybe the only team that puts up with more trouble players than any other teams. After he was traded to Miami, he's lived in the strip clubs since and had about 4 kids during, plus remember his goal is to be a porn star after NFL...... He's lost that speed demon edge, not longer top 3-5 more like DJ Moore 20s. 

Again a bad fit for the queen city and building a young team.  

Edited by Basbear
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
19 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Hes lost a level or two and not worth the 30+ million he's due. Just a bad fit for the Panthers. 

 

KC is maybe the only team that puts up with more trouble players than any other teams. After he was traded to Miami, he's lived in the strip clubs since and had about 4 kids during, plus remember his goal is to be a porn star after NFL...... He's lost that speed demon edge, not longer top 3-5 more like DJ Moore 20s. 

Again a bad fit for the queen city and building a young team.  

He is still a top shelf WR but his time there is likely coming to an end. It will probably start before his massive contract gets less goofy. 

As you said, not a good fit for us.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
tukafan21 Grand Master

tukafan21

Posted
Posted (edited)
21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He is still a top shelf WR but his time there is likely coming to an end. It will probably start before his massive contract gets less goofy. 

As you said, not a good fit for us.

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months.  

His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer.  I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age.  I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out.

He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards.

For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

Edited by tukafan21
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm actually not so sure he's still a top shelf WR, he's kinda always been a one trick pony with his speed and he turns 31 in a couple of months.  

His fall off of an elite WR is going to be very quick and sudden as once he loses even a quarter of a step, he will have lost the difference between him being just a good WR and a HOFer.  I'm not as convinced that his down year was because of the QB situation as much as the start of him showing his age.  I know the Tua injury screwed up the Dolphins season, but he still played in 11 games and it's not like Tyreek was killing it all season except the games he was out.

He had three games over 100 yards and only had 5 games all year over 72 yards.

For a player like Tyreek who has long made his impact on quick passes and then just out running everyone for big plays, that's a sign to me that he's slowing down, not QB problems.

I don't think he is slowing down yet but make no mistake, that day is coming and likely quickly. 

I suspect he has a couple more 1k+ seasons still in the tank but we will see.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tukafan21 Grand Master

tukafan21

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think he is slowing down yet but make no mistake, that day is coming and likely quickly. 

I suspect he has a couple more 1k+ seasons still in the tank but we will see.

But for him it's not even slowing down in the same way someone like Hopkins has slowed down, as Hopkins is still a great route runner with truly elite hands.

Once Hill loses a quarter of a step, he's going to fall off a cliff because it takes away his difference making ability, if he can't just out run defenders, he's nowhere near the same player.

If I'm a team, I'd rather miss out on his last year of being elite than get stuck with him when he falls off that cliff in a hurry, and this might have been that year that he started to lose that step and next year he's just going to be another small WR with speed, but not the game breaking speed he's had until now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
53 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But for him it's not even slowing down in the same way someone like Hopkins has slowed down, as Hopkins is still a great route runner with truly elite hands.

Once Hill loses a quarter of a step, he's going to fall off a cliff because it takes away his difference making ability, if he can't just out run defenders, he's nowhere near the same player.

If I'm a team, I'd rather miss out on his last year of being elite than get stuck with him when he falls off that cliff in a hurry, and this might have been that year that he started to lose that step and next year he's just going to be another small WR with speed, but not the game breaking speed he's had until now.

Oh I agree. He isn't a big physical guy that has a ton of nuance to his game. I suspect he will fall off a cliff like OBJ did.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tukafan21 Grand Master

tukafan21

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh I agree. He isn't a big physical guy that has a ton of nuance to his game. I suspect he will fall off a cliff like OBJ did.

Yep, except I think he'll be more useful than Odell has been, because while he won't have the game breaking speed that's made him a HOFer.  He'll still be plenty fast enough to get used, particularly on gadget plays or just getting the ball to him on a screen and let him run with it.

But his days of being a 1,500+ guy who defenses need to spend all week game planning for will disappear in an instant when he can't just run past everyone with ease as he's done throughout his career.  And again, he might have reached that tipping point this year, because as bad as Miami was, Tua still played in 11 games and Tyreek took a big step back this year.

I'll be honest in that I didn't watch most of their games, so part of it is looking at stats here, but something tells me he's already lost a tiny bit of that speed, and if he loses a tiny fraction again going into next year, he won't crack 1,000 yards again.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Jon Snow
      Meditation: Reading Morgan,Reasons to bypass Edge and More

      By Jon Snow · Posted

      If they are going to trade up let it be in the 2nd round for Hill. But I don't like that idea either. What I would selfishly like to see happen is they take the Oregon safety in the 1st over the 3rd or 4th best ILB or OLB. Then see how round 2 shakes out. Take the linebacker with the 70's mustache in the 3rd and go from there. Production is the word you are looking for. 
    • strato
      Steve Smith on Ron Rivera

      By strato · Posted

      He was saying Ron hid when he was cut/traded whatever that was.  I get being resentful, and feeling like that was gutless.  He, and Ron, neither are from the ‘breaking up with someone in a text or email is okay’ generation. That avoidance is seen as a lack of character.  Talking about it on camera how many years later? Why? And it is all one sided he said she said stuff. As he is speaking I am thinking well I bet that ain’t the whole story.    Between this type of stuff and him cheating on the wife stuff some of his shine is wearing off. 
    • frankw
      Steve Smith on Ron Rivera

      By frankw · Posted

      I was very critical of Ron Rivera as a coach for a range of reasons. But Steve Smith has been playing the victim for years now and it's just not working anymore. We know for a fact that he was disgruntled from the moment we drafted Cam Newton because of his own ego. That says more about him than anything he could say about Rivera. And yes Ron Rivera had a lot of faults. No excuses for it. We were right to move on from him. But ultimately Steve Smith couldn't hold it together with that group the same as he struggled to hold it together under previous regimes. He needs to grow up and accept his own role in the last few years of his Panthers career because there are things he could and should have done differently the same as anyone else. Stop seeking to only shift blame to everyone else and evolve or just stop talking and fade away. This isn't helping anyone and it is certainly not helping his image.
×
×
  • Create New...