What top 10 prospect do you absolutely NOT want?

[tukafan21]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No it's not. LOL 

Jesus, I think we're dealing with a @CamWhoaaaCam alt.

I thought this an hour or so myself, he talks very much like Cam did all season about Hunter and has the same reactions and type of responses he had all season long anytime someone said anything about Hunter not being the greatest football player since the dawn of time.

[tukafan21]

Here's what I think the T-Mac vs Hunter (as a WR) really breaks down to...............

They are polar opposites in just about every way imaginable.

Hunter is a smaller uber athlete who is good because of his raw physical freak nature.  T-Mac is a large human being who is good because of his insane fundamental talent.

Hunter put up insane stats because of the offense around him, T-Mac put up insane stats in spite of the offense around him.

Hunter has a chance to be great because he's a rare type of physical talent but needs to be taught the intricacies of the position.  T-Mac has a chance to be great because he already does the things a WR needs to do well (mainly route running and his vice grip hands), but needs to improve in some of the physical areas, such as short area foot speed.

If neither improves upon their weaknesses, it will hurt Hunter more because in the NFL, everyone is a freak athlete and if you can't do the little things at an elite level, you lose your edge.  If T-Mac doesn't improve on his short area foot speed (i.e. improve his get off at the snap and his burst out of cuts in his routes for separation), he can still become a true elite possession and downfield jump ball WR, basically exactly who Mike Evans is.

If Hunter never played CB and solely focused on playing WR, then sure, maybe he improves on those things over the past 3 years and he's a better prospect because of it, the truth is we'll never know. 

But the fact remains is that he hasn't, it doesn't matter if it's because he spends so much time playing CB, it's just where he is as a player right now.  And since he's still just a better prospect as a CB, it's a fools errand to say he has Jefferson potential as he's never going to be a full time WR, he'll be either part time at both or a full time CB.

[mrcompletely11]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No it's not. LOL 

Jesus, I think we're dealing with a @CamWhoaaaCam alt.

Did he get banned?

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Did he get banned?

I haven't seen him around in a while, but that account linked there also isn't the one he used the last year or so, there is I think an extra "a" in that one, you can see it says he hasn't been online in almost a year there, which obviously, the person we're talking about has been.

[BullCityP]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Here's what I think the T-Mac vs Hunter (as a WR) really breaks down to...............

They are polar opposites in just about every way imaginable.

Hunter is a smaller uber athlete who is good because of his raw physical freak nature.  T-Mac is a large human being who is good because of his insane fundamental talent.

Hunter put up insane stats because of the offense around him, T-Mac put up insane stats in spite of the offense around him.

Hunter has a chance to be great because he's a rare type of physical talent but needs to be taught the intricacies of the position.  T-Mac has a chance to be great because he already does the things a WR needs to do well (mainly route running and his vice grip hands), but needs to improve in some of the physical areas, such as short area foot speed.

If neither improves upon their weaknesses, it will hurt Hunter more because in the NFL, everyone is a freak athlete and if you can't do the little things at an elite level, you lose your edge.  If T-Mac doesn't improve on his short area foot speed (i.e. improve his get off at the snap and his burst out of cuts in his routes for separation), he can still become a true elite possession and downfield jump ball WR, basically exactly who Mike Evans is.

If Hunter never played CB and solely focused on playing WR, then sure, maybe he improves on those things over the past 3 years and he's a better prospect because of it, the truth is we'll never know. 

But the fact remains is that he hasn't, it doesn't matter if it's because he spends so much time playing CB, it's just where he is as a player right now.  And since he's still just a better prospect as a CB, it's a fools errand to say he has Jefferson potential as he's never going to be a full time WR, he'll be either part time at both or a full time CB.

It's waayyyy too early to assume what a team is going to ask him to do at the next level. A team may see what others see in him as a receiver and ask him to strictly ask him to play wr. We'll see when that time comes 

[frankw]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we're dealing with a @CamWhoaaaCam alt.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Did he get banned?

Yeah. It wasn't me but one of the other mods finally got sick of his poo and pulled the trigger.

[tukafan21]

10 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

It's waayyyy too early to assume what a team is going to ask him to do at the next level. A team may see what others see in him as a receiver and ask him to strictly ask him to play wr. We'll see when that time comes 

Any team that looks at him being a better CB than WR, at his size (he's only 185 lbs), and the wear and tear he's already had, and thinks making him a WR is his best chance at having a long healthy career, would only be hurting themselves.

I don't think any team would ever consider making him a full time WR only.  Why would you play someone at their lesser position when their size makes them more susceptible to injury at that position than their other one which they're already better at?

Even if the NFL made him choose one position to be listed at for the combine because he has to be in only one group for going through all the non position specific stuff, he still chose to be a CB, because he knows that's his better side of the ball.

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah. It wasn't me but one of the other mods finally got sick of his poo and pulled the trigger.

oh really?

Then yea, this is him, no doubt in my mind about it, just the things he's said and how he's reacted to people saying things about Hunter, it's exactly like Cam used to do it, to a T

[Verge]

Pretty much just Will Johnson for me. 

[LinvilleGorge]

On 2/16/2025 at 4:39 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

You're not reading.  This isn't about his college performance. It's about his NFL prospects. The Golden Calf of Bristol was one of the greatest college players of all time. That didn't mean he was a great NFL prospect. Hunter is an elite of the elite NFL CB prospect who was a great college WR too based primarily on absurd physical talent and just natural ball skills. Could he be an elite WR if he focused on that? Honestly, probably. But in terms of him being the best WR prospect in this draft? No. His skill set is just way too raw as a WR. He just looks way more natural and instinctual playing CB.

It looks like the Jags are finally coming around to this reality.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/news/travis-hunter-snap-count-stats-alarming-jaguars-fans/e8b5752c40513c1688536a65

After primarily playing on offense against us week one, he's playing more and more defense and less and less offense ever since. The problem is that the Jags spent all off-season and preseason prepping him as a two way player that he wasn't ready to do either going into the season. They really fuged this up. I think he'll catch on over the course of the season but they are probably gonna throw away the first half of this rookie season trying to put too much on a rookie.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It looks like the Jags are finally coming around to this reality.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/news/travis-hunter-snap-count-stats-alarming-jaguars-fans/e8b5752c40513c1688536a65

After primarily playing on offense against us week one, he's playing more and more defense and less and less offense ever since. The problem is that the Jags spent all off-season and preseason prepping him as a two way player that he wasn't ready to do either going into the season. They really fuged this up. I think he'll catch on over the course of the season but they are probably gonna throw away the first half of this rookie season trying to put too much on a rookie.

This thread was a fun re-read, and not to toot my own horn, but I'd say I was pretty spot on with the things I was saying about both T-Mac and Hunter, like eerily so.  I really wish I had kept a bunch of screenshots/links to all the arguments I got into with people over the last 2 years over T-Mac, would just be fun to look back on them and laugh.

To your post though, it's wild that any NFL GM couldn't see this being the case as 90% of fans out there could see it from a mile away, it really was just common sense, you can't be a full time 2 way player in the NFL today, and he's a better CB than WR, always was.

The fact that they traded a future 1st and a 2nd in that draft to move up to take a CB and part time WR is beyond comical, and even if he ends up a great player, is more than likely going to be looked back on as a terrible trade by them.  Two 1st's and a 2nd to take a CB is just asinine, I'm not sure there has ever been a CB who was worth that, even the peak years of Revis or someone like Asomugha weren't worth that, let alone a full career of play.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This thread was a fun re-read, and not to toot my own horn, but I'd say I was pretty spot on with the things I was saying about both T-Mac and Hunter, like eerily so.  I really wish I had kept a bunch of screenshots/links to all the arguments I got into with people over the last 2 years over T-Mac, would just be fun to look back on them and laugh.

To your post though, it's wild that any NFL GM couldn't see this being the case as 90% of fans out there could see it from a mile away, it really was just common sense, you can't be a full time 2 way player in the NFL today, and he's a better CB than WR, always was.

The fact that they traded a future 1st and a 2nd in that draft to move up to take a CB and part time WR is beyond comical, and even if he ends up a great player, is more than likely going to be looked back on as a terrible trade by them.  Two 1st's and a 2nd to take a CB is just asinine, I'm not sure there has ever been a CB who was worth that, even the peak years of Revis or someone like Asomugha weren't worth that, let alone a full career of play.

Yeah, it really seems like they made that move legitimately expecting him to be a two way player which is just crazy. You just can't be a two way player in the modern NFL. The obvious approach with Hunter was to have him focus on being a CB first and basically motivate him by telling him that the better you play on defense and the more comfortable you are on the field there, the more comfortable we're going to be putting more on your plate by carving out a bigger piece for you on offense but likely always limiting that to maybe 10-12 snaps a game at most on offense. Starting him out primarily at WR was just insane. At least they quickly saw that and adjusted but they really blew it with the off-season/preseason approach and it's causing Hunter to play catch up.

[tukafan21]

Also reading this thread again and seeing that was a clear WoahCam alt, it really makes me wish he was still around to hear his takes on how "his guys" are doing this year.

Shedeur can't beat out Gabriel for the #2 job behind old man Flacco, Hunter is struggling on offense and doesn't have a clear role, while T-Mac is proving to be exactly who I said he was and the guy WoahCam was very much down on for a while until he said he was coming around on him, lol