hunter cantwell

[pantherfan49]

How long do you think pike would last on the PS?

Will never make it to the PS. Someone will pick him up much like the Panthers did with Matt Moore.

[panthers55]

How long do you think pike would last on the PS?

Hard to say at this point. There are guys every year who we put on the practice squad who I am positive will get picked up and don't. I suspect it depends on who else had their eye on Pike and would have drafted him if we didn't. I can't see us carrying 4 quarterbacks on the roster. So someone will be the odd man out. Of course we still have training camp and the preseason to sort things out so nothing is a given. But don't you agree that we need to have the best three guys out there regardless of where they were chosen? Who do you cut out so we can keep 4 QBs on the roster? I can't see anything that Pike would bring to the mix that Cantwell doesn't already have from a physical skill point of view. It remains to be seen though, who has what it takes between the ears to be successful.

Your thoughts?

[Vagrant]

Every year at this position there is a "talk of training camp", and this year it happens to be Hunter Cantwell. The effusive praise is nothing to get worked up about if you have given any attention to the Panthers front office in previous years talking up players like future stars. They did the same thing with Brett Basanez. I won't insult your collective intelligence by linking to said praise, but everybody that was around then knew how big the hype was for him.

And those that ignore draft position aren't thinking properly here. Yes, the coaches are there to evaluate everybody on a clean slate and for the most part they try to do that. However, the GM is there to evaluate players on a talent level to pay scale ratio that may not favor undrafted free agents. We're likely going to have to pay Jimmy Clausen over slot money for the 48th overall pick. With that kind of financial investment, you have to favor this player or else lose money. It is the ugly and unspoken rule regarding evaluating performance of UDFA players against drafted players. Especially those taken in the Top 3 rounds.

Jimmy Clausen WILL occupy the 2nd string position when the first snap of the regular season commences unless he's a hold out. It is as clear as the nose on your face that Carolina plans to groom him even if that means he's much more raw right now than Cantwell, which is obviously going to be true considering that Cantwell is going to turn 25 a few months into the season and is only a few months younger than Matt Moore with a year of professional grooming and Jimmy Clausen is 22 to be 23 when the season starts and fresh out of Notre Dame.

The real battle here will be between Tony Pike and Hunter Cantwell if we decide to carry three QB on the roster. If we choose to waive either, which we will have to do, then each player will likely leave us and sign with another practice squad before coming back here considering the relative log jam we have here. I think the drafted player has the leg up right now if for no other reason than we may be able to sneak Cantwell back onto the PS without as much problems as it would be for Pike.

I just think it's time to start getting used to the idea that our QB battle is between Moore and Clausen and everybody else is just window dressing and highly unlikely to see playing time here ever.

[scpanther22]

Hard to say at this point. There are guys every year who we put on the practice squad who I am positive will get picked up and don't. I suspect it depends on who else had their eye on Pike and would have drafted him if we didn't. I can't see us carrying 4 quarterbacks on the roster. So someone will be the odd man out. Of course we still have training camp and the preseason to sort things out so nothing is a given. But don't you agree that we need to have the best three guys out there regardless of where they were chosen? Who do you cut out so we can keep 4 QBs on the roster? I can't see anything that Pike would bring to the mix that Cantwell doesn't already have from a physical skill point of view. It remains to be seen though, who has what it takes between the ears to be successful.

Your thoughts?

Same..Will just have to wait till preaseason.

But I just dont see pike lasting long on the PS..

[panthers55]

Same..Will just have to wait till preaseason.

But I just dont see pike lasting long on the PS..

Thats probably true. What a turnaround, though. Having a surplus of talent at QB to the point that someone else actually wants our quarterback leftovers. LOL

[pantherfan49]

Thats probably true. What a turnaround, though. Having a surplus of talent at QB to the point that someone else actually wants our quarterback leftovers. LOL

At this point it is still quantity over quality for the Panthers.

[monstercat]

Every year at this position there is a "talk of training camp", and this year it happens to be Hunter Cantwell. The effusive praise is nothing to get worked up about if you have given any attention to the Panthers front office in previous years talking up players like future stars. They did the same thing with Brett Basanez. I won't insult your collective intelligence by linking to said praise, but everybody that was around then knew how big the hype was for him.

And those that ignore draft position aren't thinking properly here. Yes, the coaches are there to evaluate everybody on a clean slate and for the most part they try to do that. However, the GM is there to evaluate players on a talent level to pay scale ratio that may not favor undrafted free agents. We're likely going to have to pay Jimmy Clausen over slot money for the 48th overall pick. With that kind of financial investment, you have to favor this player or else lose money. It is the ugly and unspoken rule regarding evaluating performance of UDFA players against drafted players. Especially those taken in the Top 3 rounds.

Jimmy Clausen WILL occupy the 2nd string position when the first snap of the regular season commences unless he's a hold out. It is as clear as the nose on your face that Carolina plans to groom him even if that means he's much more raw right now than Cantwell, which is obviously going to be true considering that Cantwell is going to turn 25 a few months into the season and is only a few months younger than Matt Moore with a year of professional grooming and Jimmy Clausen is 22 to be 23 when the season starts and fresh out of Notre Dame.

The real battle here will be between Tony Pike and Hunter Cantwell if we decide to carry three QB on the roster. If we choose to waive either, which we will have to do, then each player will likely leave us and sign with another practice squad before coming back here considering the relative log jam we have here. I think the drafted player has the leg up right now if for no other reason than we may be able to sneak Cantwell back onto the PS without as much problems as it would be for Pike.

I just think it's time to start getting used to the idea that our QB battle is between Moore and Clausen and everybody else is just window dressing and highly unlikely to see playing time here ever.

I don't remember a whole lot of hype coming from the Panthers about Brett Basanez. They may have praised him for his work ethic and personality, but he does not even begin to compare to Cantwell, as far as the QB measurables go.

I remember some fans being a little excited when they saw Basanez hit wide open WR's against 3rd and 4th string defenders in the pre-season, but that's about it.

Anyway, maybe I'm dead wrong. Maybe the QB competition will be decided by draft status, hype, fame, and money, as opposed to pure ability and production, but I sure hope that's not the case.

Honestly though, I don't really like any one of these QB's above the others. My only bias, is that I believe Matt Moore has earned the right to start the first game because he's the only QB on the roster who has actually won a real NFL game before.

[Vagrant]

I don't remember a whole lot of hype coming from the Panthers about Brett Basanez. They may have praised him for his work ethic and personality, but he does not even begin to compare to Cantwell, as far as the QB measurables go.

I remember some fans being a little excited when they saw Basanez hit wide open WR's against 3rd and 4th string defenders in the pre-season, but that's about it.

Anyway, maybe I'm dead wrong. Maybe the QB competition will be decided by draft status, hype, fame, and money, as opposed to pure ability and production, but I sure hope that's not the case.

Honestly though, I don't really like any one of these QB's above the others. My only bias, is that I believe Matt Moore has earned the right to start the first game because he's the only QB on the roster who has actually won a real NFL game before.

Historically, this organization has been very adamant about holding to the line that if you didn't earn your spot then you lost your spot. This ideology holds true with the exception of a few skill positions and draft positions. The Panthers have very distinct drafting patterns that usually exclude using high draft picks on a QB for this very reason. If you draft a QB in the Top 60 picks, then you almost HAVE to give him the opportunity to prove he stinks before you move away from him. That obligation is one that many Panthers fans have misinterpreted as being afraid of taking a risk of wasting a pick. When you take a QB, you know that the financial obligation is going to be high. It is a premium position that commands a financial premium to match. And unless you intend to cut this player prior to him ever taking a snap, which is nonsensical, then by default you are making an obligation to said player when you draft him that you will give him every opportunity to find success here. That does not include favoring in house options with more time in the system.

Unfortunately for incumbents, and especially undrafted free agents, that means that the obligation to said player financially can spell your demise. In a perfect world the talent on the field would determine the opportunities and to a degree it does. However, when both options are unproven then the default is always to stay with the player you drafted especially in the first year.

If the Carolina Panthers choose to sign Jimmy Clausen, which is almost a formality at this point, then they will most certainly not elect to have him not dress for game day. It would be damn near nonsensical for a small market team to operate that way.

I will actually go one step further here. There wouldn't have been a competition at QB this year if John Fox personally liked Matt Moore as a leader. I think Fox questions his approach to the game and his approach in the huddle and if that will create success for his football team. To put it bluntly, I don't think that Fox is very enthusiastic about the nonchalant attitude that Moore has about the position. He is very Zen and Fox is very conventional. He wants his QB out there fired up and leading men. That is where Clausen comes into the picture. The guy has fire. Perhaps maybe even too much for some other teams. Fire to the point that it has been interpreted as cocky and narcissistic. The Anti-Moore, if you will. I think Fox values this element of Clausen's game to such a degree that he refuses to back Moore in totality, which is a move very unlike John Fox where loyalty and time in the system are of primary importance.

This disparity in the two personalities has created the competition as we know it today. The winner of preseason will be the winner of the job. I think that Fox is secretly hoping for Clausen to be more ready than advertised and take the job from Moore because Clausen is more in his image of an ideal quarterback.

[DickolausJ]

Sorry Pantherfan49 I post a good amount of sarcastic posts on here myself. Try using more adjectives? Make your sarcasm more funny? I dunno but I didn't negative rep you. I usually only negative rep when people are being clear cut jerks in no humerous manner at all.

As for Cantwell. I can see him being the number 2 spot this season easy.

See usually undrafted free agents are undrafted because they lack talent that equates to results in the NFL, sometimes its because they don't know much about football, or emotional and maturity issues, but it's usually the first one.

So while UDFA will work their tail off because they have something to prove if they are just not fast enough, or big enough, or say don't have a good arm they won't make it.

Hunter has talent. Scary talent. His mechanics were just off. Plus he has already been with the team for an entire year. The longer he lingers around the more the Panthers will be likely to keep him.

So his evaluation will be based on preformance. If continues to work hard, throws just as well or if not better than Pike and Clausen in camp and preseason, stays positive then he will be ahead of the game.

Plus Hunter can do something that Clausen Pike and Moore will just never be able to do "throw a strawberry through a locomotive" -Rip Scherer

[pantherfan49]

Sorry Pantherfan49 I post a good amount of sarcastic posts on here myself. Try using more adjectives? Make your sarcasm more funny? I dunno but I didn't negative rep you. I usually only negative rep when people are being clear cut jerks in no humerous manner at all.

Yeah you didn't neg rep me. Don't worry with it.

[DickolausJ]

Furthermore you could argue that Undrafted QBs have a better chance on this team then drafted ones. Our Last QB and our current one were both undrafted.

[Sloth]

This year: Moore, Clausen, Cantwell with an attempt to stash Pike on the PS. If he doesn't clear waivers, oh well, late round pick.

Next year: Clausen, Cantwell, Pike/UDFA/Reclamation project from another team. Panthers allow Moore to test FA and don't match.

[KatsAzz]

Is Clausen staying put? I could see him as a number 3 on the active roster and Cantwell as the number 2. As a coach I would really want a guy that is ready to play in case Matt Moore goes down. Clausen has talent, but that does not mean that he is ready to come in the game after an injury.

I remember seeing those videos of the 3 QB's and as I said then, I believe that Hunter had the better throwing motion and release than the other two. I can only question his accuracy. I remember from last preseason, that the only thing Hunter did badly was that he made the throws, but they were like rockets and it looked as if the receivers had trouble holding onto the ball.

Just like Scherer has said in an article, Clausen needs to work on his throwing motion. Scherer said that same thing about Jimmy, that Cantwell has been working on. He said Jimmy needs to make his throwing motion more compact and get rid of the big wind up. The Panthers are taking the right approach with Hunter and with Jimmy, and that is so not force them to be great, but just give them time to improve.

Even Matt Moore has improved his throwing motion and style since he has been here and backing up Jake and Testeverde. It takes time and when QB's are not forced, but when given time to develop they probably are better able to succeed.

[MHS831]

Think about it. Clausen has never been in a competition. He has had everything handed to him. Not his fault, that is just how good he is. Now things are different. I attended 2 OTAs this season and 1 last season. Every time I said Cantwell was the best QB that day. I would say that we have no choice but to IR Pike, and Clausen needs to run the third offense. However, if things keep shaping up the way they seem to be, we will have some trade offers during August. Cantwell is probably the only player we would trade. Cantwell for a DT?

Having said that, Cantwell has the arm and is making the throws, but in a game, but I question the "it" factor. Does he have the swagger that will earn respect, make him the leader on the field? Is he a gamer like Moore seems to be? Like Clausen was in college behind a horrible line?

We have a problem at QB--a good one that could make us a fixture for years or a laughing stock if we let the wrong guy get away. We have a year to let it play out.