Williams Trade Story (The Actual Source)

[Sandy Claws]

Iyou should see people on the board I goto saying we shouldn't trade that much for a part time player because they think Jones will be the replacement for Driver when he finally does retire.

I also saw some guy that must smoke alot as a few posters stated to him state that the Packers don't have any good wrs even though they both have been to the Pro Bowl.

Once again thanks for letting me on the board.

He's a part time player simply because that's how we have chose to use him. He's RB 1a. We invested a high pick to acquire our RB 1b to split carries to minimize wear and tear. We put effort into keeping his mileage down. Just like a car, low mileage + proven performance = higher cost. Pay up or get out.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I do see the logic in trading away one of our backs, but man I would hate to see Williams go. I'd rather see us trading away the eternally-injured Stewart or Goodson. In fact, I thought we might have been showcasing Goodson these last three weeks to do just that.

[MadHatter]

Williams just turned 27 prior to the start of the season. Where is this "pushing 30", business coming from? After this year, he still has three seasons he will play either before or at the age of 30 exactly. And conventional wisdom may say that HBs hit a bit of a decline at 30, but not all of them fall off the face of the earth. Especially backs as dynamic as Williams. A lot of backs run well into 32-33 years old before really hitting the point of no return and it's usually backs that have gotten a bulk load of carries. Regardless if you want to believe it or not, mileage on the knees for runners is like mileage on a car. The more carries, the more punishment taken. DeAngelo has been somewhat sheltered from that kind of damage.

Thomas Jones, at 32 years old, is running as well as he ever has and it's because of starting his career so poorly and not getting a ton of carries early on.

Either way, it's nonsensical to think that Williams has lost a step based on the sample size of these games. It has everything to do with a non existent passing game and the absolute garbage pile that is our offensive line right now. Otah and Vincent were bigger losses than we initially thought. That was the road grading side of the line we ran behind. Williams is hitting the hole as hard as ever. He's just not getting a ton of carries because we can't keep the ball and we can't keep defenses honest with the threat of the playaction.

Williams will be seeking a very big contract in the upcoming offseason. This will likely be a 5-6 year deal....which will take him to 32-33 years old.

Anyone who knows anything about RB's will tell you that Williams' best years are behind him.

He is still an excellent back, but investing top tier starting RB money in both Williams and Stewart will be a tough thing given the needs and contracts needed in many other positions on the team.

Everyone is screaming that we need a better passing game. It is hard to invest and build the passing game when you are looking to invest nearly $20M per year in your RB position.

I would LOVE to keep Williams and Stewart, but I think the economics (the one thing that most fans don't seem to udnerstand) will prevent it.

IF the team is unwilling or questioning investing $20M per year into the RB position, they definitely should move Williams for the best possible offer. Otherwise, we end up in a Peppers situation where he walks for nothing.

[MadHatter]

I do see the logic in trading away one of our backs, but man I would hate to see Williams go. I'd rather see us trading away the eternally-injured Stewart or Goodson. In fact, I thought we might have been showcasing Goodson these last three weeks to do just that.

You would not trade away Goodson....he is extremely young and cheap.

[thefuzz]

I have always thought that this was the route that the Panthers would take. Now lets see if it really happens.

As I said earlier in the season, not extending a couple of core vets...Williams, Kalil, Beason was very telling to me. We will be trying to sign both Kalil and Beason, but the no sign of Williams made me think that he is on the block.

[Montsta]

The only reason I think that the Packers would give up more than most for Williams is because with him they would be built to win multiple titles right now. If Aaron Rodgers

had Williams in his backfield, he would pick apart secondaries weekly. Rodgers would have 300 yard games weekly or if he didn't it would be because Williams ran for like 150.

I'm torn because while I'm a Panthers fan first and foremost and above all else, the soft spot in my heart would like to see some of our guys that I like get a chance to win it all somewhere else. I mean, Peppers made me feel like a single mom when he left the Panthers, but someone like Smitty deserves a ring if we aren't going to even make an attempt at winning one.

That being said, I think we are only deep at RB because of Williams. If he goes and The Daily Show's nagging injuries keep staying around, all of a sudden our RB's are Mike Goodson and Sutton. Reminds me of Davis, Foster, Goings and Hoover. That corps was deep until Davis and Foster were out. Yeah Goings was serviceable but I mean let's not kid ourselves.

[uncpanther]

If the Panthers trade Williams I will stop at nothing to kick Fox in the balls at the next available opportunity......... it would be worth the assault charges.

[PenrithPanther]

sure, trading our best player is great idea???? WTF???

[Mr. Scot]

I showed up super late to the party I'm about to past out reading the thread title

some one just answer me is this true or not.

I had it as "unlikely" but have since downgraded it to "doubtful".

My guess is it will soon be downgraded further, to "crap".

[Razeyfingers]

Goodson's increased carries have any relevance in this story? Are we giving him a final test for shared starting duties or perhaps building his value for a minor trade?

[mountainpantherfan]

While I don't think the source is very reliable or that the details are as he says, I wouldn't doubt that there are trade conversations (notice I didn't say talks) between the Panthers and Packers involving either Williams and/or Stewart.

Madhatter raised a great point and for those that think Williams should be untouchable answer these two questions:

1) What type of deal would Williams recieve/want either now or on the open market?

2) What type of deal should the Panthers give him that would be in the best interest of the team?

I agree with Madhatter that a 6 year deal worth about $40MM would be what Williams could get on the open market. However, the deal the Panthers need to make would be about a 3 year deal worth about $16MM.

Getting Stewart and Goodson signed to extentions would be the better options at this point.

[Sandy Claws]

Williams will be seeking a very big contract in the upcoming offseason. This will likely be a 5-6 year deal....which will take him to 32-33 years old.

Anyone who knows anything about RB's will tell you that Williams' best years are behind him.

He is still an excellent back, but investing top tier starting RB money in both Williams and Stewart will be a tough thing given the needs and contracts needed in many other positions on the team.

Everyone is screaming that we need a better passing game. It is hard to invest and build the passing game when you are looking to invest nearly $20M per year in your RB position.

I would LOVE to keep Williams and Stewart, but I think the economics (the one thing that most fans don't seem to udnerstand) will prevent it.

IF the team is unwilling or questioning investing $20M per year into the RB position, they definitely should move Williams for the best possible offer. Otherwise, we end up in a Peppers situation where he walks for nothing.

I think that's a little bit heavy on the doom and gloom there.

30 yo seems to be the point where RBs drop significantly. That gives Williams 2 mor years after this one IF he was used at an average rate. The fact that his # of carries have been below average for starters will help extend his career possibly by a couple full seasons.

20M/year? That would have covered the cap charge for the top 3 RBs in the league last year, top 5 RBs base salary alone.

[panthers55]

While I don't think the source is very reliable or that the details are as he says, I wouldn't doubt that there are trade conversations (notice I didn't say talks) between the Panthers and Packers involving either Williams and/or Stewart.

Madhatter raised a great point and for those that think Williams should be untouchable answer these two questions:

1) What type of deal would Williams recieve/want either now or on the open market?

2) What type of deal should the Panthers give him that would be in the best interest of the team?

I agree with Madhatter that a 6 year deal worth about $40MM would be what Williams could get on the open market. However, the deal the Panthers need to make would be about a 3 year deal worth about $16MM.

Getting Stewart and Goodson signed to extentions would be the better options at this point.

There is no reason you can't give Williams a 10 year deal for 65 million. What you forget is that the only thing that is guaranteed is the signing bonus and other guaranteed monies. Remember the 100 year deal to Haynesworth that is really more like a 40 million deal. The rest was just for show.

If Williams want to be the highest paid back in the game, what is wrong with that?? He will likely play 3 or 4 more years tops. So make sure that you don't guaranteed more than 15 million, backload alot of the contract with roster bonuses in years 5 through whatever when we know he won't be here and give him small salaries for the next few years so there isn't that much of a cap hit if there is one.

You can probably get him for around 6 million a year which is pretty reasonable for his production. People get hung up on the ultimate number yet most players know they won't see most of that money.

Really a 3 year deal for 18 million and a 6 year deal for 36 million is exactly the same thing if the guaranteed money is the same. It makes no difference and he won't likely be here in 5 years.

[kdrh5]

we should not trade williams whatsoever.

the league is getting ready to go to an 18 game season, and stewart has show that he can not stay healthy.

if williams is gone, then as soon as stewart hurts himself, like he does every season, then all of the sudden, our RBs are goodson and sutton...

if we need to cut some salary, then goodson and sutton are the RBs that should be gotten rid of.

dont get me wrong, i like goodson too, but williams can do anything that sutton can do if they would just throw him the ball.

the NFL has shown us, and this team in particular that you need 2 good RBs in order to be sucsessful. That being said, i am sure thaty the FO is going to get rid of deangelo anyway, and we are going to be reminded of the foster/goings days.

Williams has missed more games than Stewart the past two seasons, so who's really more likely to get hurt? Stewart doesn't practice but still produces at a high level, unless we are losing badly and he doesn't get any carries.