The Progression of David Gettis

[panthers55]

but dude you said it was the real truth THE REAL TRUTH

Truth is relative, most grownups know that.

[frash.exe]

would help your point if you backtracked a little bit more

[Carolinator]

"WRs are only as good as their QB."

Quote of the year nominee.

[panthers55]

would help your point if you backtracked a little bit more

Anyone can change their opinion as more information is revealed. Only idiots stick to the same position regardless of changing information. Surprised you don't know that.

[panthers55]

"WRs are only as good as their QB."

Everyone knows that except some idiots on this site.

Fixed it for you

[Montsta]

I think that Moore doesn't know what he is seeing, or he just can't compute what is happening fast enough.

For example, the first play from scrimmage, the "flea-flicker".

Yes, the safety did not commit to the run. However, he had not committed to cover deep either, he was frozen. Lafell had his man beat and the safety was last man standing. The safety was still turned to the LOS and with a full head of steam Lafell would have burned by him easily. Moore should have realized this and gone deep to Lafell, but he can not visualize how a play is going to form he only sees what the play is at the moment.

Instead of seeing that the safety was going to have to turn and get to speed to catch Lafell who was already at full speed, Moore flips out and throws a falling down pass to Smith who was the crossing under route and an INT.

Horrible play. What should have at the least been an incompletion and a sign to the Rams that we were going to stretch the field instead turns into a disaster because of his incompetence.

I said that same thing in another thread. I wasn't sure of the details but I made the same point that Moore missed the deep route when he went underneath on that play.

[Delhommey]

You are being very nitpicky. Look around the league and you can complain on just about every throw/catch. Stafford threw a ball into tight coverage behind his man and it goes for a TD. Could have easily been picked. These plays happen every week.

I'm being nitpicky because someone has decided this is the island he will die on.

As far as my overall statement, Moore has never been good in a game that mattered, that's neither nitpicky or false.

[mav1234]

"a game that mattered" by your definition is likely not the definition the coaches, the players, or Moore himself would use. I understand what you're saying... He does not seem to handle pressure well, and I would say that our only evidence we have of him when the team is his alone to lead to success, he hasn't done it, but his games in the past and this season matter. Fans like to eliminate teams before the players eliminate themselves. There was an interview with Beason where he said they still believed they could make the playoffs.

I don't disagree the pressure is reduced, but realistically, there is still plenty of football to play that matters. Even if we say that playoffs aren't happening, the games still matter, just in different ways. It matters for the future of our coaches and our players, because they are fighting for contracts. Yes, it is about winning, but this is also their job and none of them want to be unemployed next year.

That being said... I can't help but agree that what we have seen from Moore indicates he does not fare very well under pressure on this team. I hope that changes.

Back to Gettis.. I agree that the WRs are only as good as the QB who throws them the ball... but they're also only as good as the routes they run and the plays that they are in for.

[Carl Spackler]

I think what he means by games that matter are games where he's under center for a team that is more than mathematically eligible for the postseason. In those games in his career Moore is 1-4. There are no more of those games this season.

[TheRealDeal]

^^Then he should say that. He shouldn't say meaningful games. All NFL games are meaningful. It's not Moore's fault Delhomme stunk up the whole 2009 season and it's not Moore's fault that Fox was too late in putting him in. When he got in against some good NFL teams he played well.

Now this year he has a terrible team around him, and he's playing terrible and we assume this is the "real" Matt Moore.

I'm not saying you have to agree but you have to see that just basing it off 5 games with a bad team altogether doesn't make sense. It is a collective effort.

People can try and discount those games as much as they want, but they were important, both for the teams we were playing and for our team, save 2. No doubt about it.

[panthers55]

"a game that mattered" by your definition is likely not the definition the coaches, the players, or Moore himself would use. I understand what you're saying... He does not seem to handle pressure well, and I would say that our only evidence we have of him when the team is his alone to lead to success, he hasn't done it, but his games in the past and this season matter. Fans like to eliminate teams before the players eliminate themselves. There was an interview with Beason where he said they still believed they could make the playoffs.

I don't disagree the pressure is reduced, but realistically, there is still plenty of football to play that matters. Even if we say that playoffs aren't happening, the games still matter, just in different ways. It matters for the future of our coaches and our players, because they are fighting for contracts. Yes, it is about winning, but this is also their job and none of them want to be unemployed next year.

That being said... I can't help but agree that what we have seen from Moore indicates he does not fare very well under pressure on this team. I hope that changes.

Back to Gettis.. I agree that the WRs are only as good as the QB who throws them the ball... but they're also only as good as the routes they run and the plays that they are in for.

You are right, to the players and coaches and most fans every game matters.

To say that Moore or any Panther player has no pressure is ridiculous. He is on a one year contract and already knows he will have a new coach and likely new offense next year. His performance this year could literally be worth tens of millions of dollars for him one way or the other. How can that not be a tremendously pressure packed environment.

There are a ton of players in that boat. Why do you think Davis is working so hard to come back this year? Most all the Panthers know that they are playing for their jobs and futures. That is as pressure packed as it gets.

[scpanther22]

You are right, to the players and coaches and most fans every game matters.

To say that Moore or any Panther player has no pressure is ridiculous. He is on a one year contract and already knows he will have a new coach and likely new offense next year. His performance this year could literally be worth tens of millions of dollars for him one way or the other. How can that not be a tremendously pressure packed environment.

There are a ton of players in that boat. Why do you think Davis is working so hard to come back this year? Most all the Panthers know that they are playing for their jobs and futures. That is as pressure packed as it gets.

1-6 out of the playoff race and a lame duck HC is as pressure packed as it gets?

sure there is some pressure all the time but Moore can play lose now because the season is shot.IMO.

[Carl Spackler]

Honestly unless he lights it up I don't think he's coming back. What I don't like about this board is the penchant for excusing bad games by Moore but grilling Clausen for one bad game. I don't find it fair and I think if you're gonna say one struggled, don't paint a picture that's prettier for the other. I agree with the statement that we've seen Moore's ceiling and personally I'd like to see Clausen's. But to begin with I wasn't a supporter of seeing him on the field this year and now just let Moore finish it off until maybe week 17 against ATL. Give Clausen every chance to earn the starting job going forward beginning spring '11 and if he earns it, let him have it. If not, well, don't.

[TheRealDeal]

Who do you bring in to replace Moore on the roster? And if you say a "vet" which vet will come in and take a backup role to an unproven rookie? Likely a vet that isn't very good. Now look around the league and tell me which Vet has better numbers and W/L in starts than Moore.

Maybe you just want someone for experience/mentoring which is fine but remember that Carr and those type of QBs are out there with "experience."