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Good chance Clausen follows in Farves footsteps.


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Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the second round, 33rd overall in the 1991 NFL Draft. On July 19, 1991, Favre agreed to a three-year, $1.4 million contract with a reported signing bonus of $350,000. Atlanta coach Jerry Glanville did not approve of the drafting of Favre, saying it would take a plane crash for him to put Favre into the game. Favre's first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown. He only attempted four passes in his career at Atlanta, was intercepted twice, and completed none of them. Brett took one other snap, which resulted in a sack for an eleven yard loss.

Obviously we wont get a first round pick for jimmy, like Atlanta got when they traded Farve (HOW THE f**k?), but a low second maybe to Fox's new team? That's if we get Luck. Of course it would only be fair for the following of Bretts footsteps for Clausen to start looking like a franchise QB while Luck looks like the second coming of Ryan Leaf.

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I don't know how much Fox dislikes Clausen as much as rookie QBs.

tbh, I think Fox has been pretty kind to him the last few weeks, in the post game against TB and since. I think he has realized he has nobody left to go to and he's going to stand behind him as the starter now.

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Fox does not like Clausen...but I'm sure there are plenty of teams that would make a play for Clausen based on nothing other than his "pedigree" alone. I'd love for Clausen to develop here at the end of this season so we can use the #1 pick on another position of need.

There's NO way we don't take Luck if we have the #1 pick.

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There's NO way we don't take Luck if we have the #1 pick.

yup.

here's how it works, folks, and even I like Clausen:

1) if clausen loses out - and no, the loses wouldn't need to be all on him - you aren't going to be sold on him. there is virtually no way he shows what he would need to show us in order to make us uninterested in luck while still managing to lose out... this team has enough talent in key positions that if the QB rose above the adversity to that level, we'd start winning games.

2) if clausen actually wins some down the stretch, we are very unlikely to get the #1 pick, which means we won't even need to consider luck

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There's NO way we don't take Luck if we have the #1 pick.

i'll put it another way.

the only way we feel confident staying with clausen is if he wins enough games to knock us out of the luck sweepstakes.

if clausen is the starter and we don't win anymore games, we can't be convinced that he will be good enough to rely on in the future.

to not take luck if we have that first pick will mean that there is no doubting clausen's ability to lead this team.

if we had more invested in him (like a first round pick, an offense built around him) or he was entrenched in the position, then we could stay with him. if he was hand picked by the incoming HC, then we could feel confident about him staying here.

none of that is the case.

if we lose out and get into a position where we can take luck, we have to do it. he will not have done enough to show that drafting luck wouldn't make the team better.

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i'll put it another way.

the only way we feel confident staying with clausen is if he wins enough games to knock us out of the luck sweepstakes.

if clausen is the starter and we don't win anymore games, we can't be convinced that he will be good enough to rely on in the future.

to not take luck if we have that first pick will mean that there is no doubting clausen's ability to lead this team.

if we had more invested in him (like a first round pick, an offense built around him) or he was entrenched in the position, then we could stay with him. if he was hand picked by the incoming HC, then we could feel confident about him staying here.

none of that is the case.

if we lose out and get into a position where we can take luck, we have to do it. he will not have done enough to show that drafting luck wouldn't make the team better.

If he plays like he did against Tampa for the next 7 games I'd be confident in him. However, if we lost those 7 games because the D plays like it did against Tampa then I wouldn't be so sure: the new coaching staff might just take Luck 'cos he's a shiny new toy.

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I'm one of the first people to say that game was nice and he showed some improvement, but if he doesn't start actually leading touchdown drives, I'm not going to be sold. 200 yards with no ints and no tds is nice and all but I'd like to see more to pass on Luck.

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