charles johnson vs. julius peppers 2010

[thecarolinaswagger]

charles johnson

9.5 sacks including at least 1 sack per game in the last 5 games

47 tackles 10 assists

1 forced fumble

all world julius peppers

8 sacks

35 tackles 9 assists

1 int and 3 forced fumbles

[Zod]

lulz

[Shermdog]

That is nice to see.

[Davidson Deac II]

Julius peppers is a very good player, one of the top 5 defensive ends in the league. But certainly not worth what we paid him last year, or what we would have had to pay him this year.

Charles Johnson is become a very solid defensive end, maybe top 15-20 in the league, and at some point in time, will have to be paid. We will be able to sign him for much less than Peppers.

Btw, it took Johnson 3 years to become a force. I expect the same for Hardy and Brown.

[Urrymonster]

Btw, it took Johnson 3 years to become a force. I expect the same for Hardy and Brown.

It really didn't

2008 (46.0% of snaps) - 7 sacks, 4 hits, 29 pressures, 17 Tkls, 19 Def Stops

2009 (53.4% of snaps) - 4 sacks, 2 hits, 22 pressures, 14 Tkls, 13 Def Stops

He was a best pass rusher behind Peppers in severely limited play time in 2009 and behind Brayton and Pep in 2008 with even less time.

For the record Hardy is on course for the following (projected)

28.6% of snaps - 2 Sacks, 7 Hits, 12 Pressures, 12 Tckls, 11 Def Stops

Pretty damn impressive considering how little they let this guy play. Give him the same opportunities as CJ had in 2008 and they project very similarly.

On topic

Johnson has proved he can play the run like the elite's, he is starting to prove he can generate pressure in every game regardless of what happens blocking wise. All he needs to do now is add in a couple of game changing plays that Pep could do at any moment.

CJ is a very very very good replacement for Pep, but Pep still is one of the biggests freaks to ever play the game. The man 'could' win a game almost on his own.

[tattoorhino]

Think if CJ had the same line Chicago has and his stats are double that.

[KSpan]

But Urlacher said Peppers was the best defender in the NFL... what has he said about Johnson?

:puke:

[CRA]

charles johnson

9.5 sacks including at least 1 sack per game in the last 5 games

47 tackles 10 assists

1 forced fumble

all world julius peppers

8 sacks

35 tackles 9 assists

1 int and 3 forced fumbles

CJ has had a great year and is improving just like we needed.

that said, stats lie....Peppers has been much more impressive this year than Johnson. Stat sheet doesn't big up all the ways a DE is impacting games.

[Darth Urious]

Just the fact that so many of you dwell on Pep and what he is doing just further emphasizes how good he is...

[Zod]

Just the fact that so many of you dwell on Pep and what he is doing just further emphasizes how good he is...

Yep, good for less sacks than a player making 1/10th of what he does.

:eek:

[CatMan72]

How do they compare on QB pressures? Sacks and tackles are important, but pressures are also a significant measure of a DE's effectiveness.

P.S. just so you know where I'm coming from, I would LOVE to find out CJ is comparable on pressures.

[Darth Urious]

Yep, good for less sacks than a player making 1/10th of what he does.

:eek:

it isn't all about sacks...

[Darth Urious]

Pep also has 7 defended passes to CJ's 1, but they've both hit the QB 18 times...

Don't get me wrong, I love me some CJ, but our system is setup in a way that is more beneficial to him (heavy rotation, switching sides, flat out rushing the passer every time) than Pep's dynamic role in Chicago... Pep doing more there shows that he is a more complete and well rounded player, regardless of the opinions of Panther homers...

Yeah, he makes a lot more money, but big deal... CJ might not even be a Panther next year because of that very thing...

EDIT to add link:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=DE

similar numbers, but only amateur analysts rely solely on paper numbers...

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Regardless of what Pep is doing, the whole defensive line is playing surprisingly well. We lost several veterans and didn't bring any high profile guys and they still do a solid job. I think Charles will do even better next year with more help and a few of the other guys will be great for depth when we actually do spend resources on improving the line. And somebody like Hardy, Landri, or Brown could develop into a consistent contributor.