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Justify why Cam Newton isn't worth #1 overall?


blackcatgrowl

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Cam Newton, the Heisman trophy winner, has led Auburn to the SEC Championship Title, the BCS Championship game and Auburn to the #1 BCS ranking.

They have played some of the toughest teams in Division 1 NCAA Football, and at times were dominant. Much of this was Cam. Here's the stats.

Passing:

Completions - 165, Attempts - 246, Percent - 67.1, Yards 2589, TDs - 28, Int - 6.

But it doesn't stop there.

Rushing:

Attempts - 242, Yards - 1409, Yds per Attempt - 5.8, TD - 20

Yes, there were some NCAA eligibility issues. But it's been investigated, and anything that was pinned on him was dismissed. Besides, who cares?!? College sports has it's own set of priorities.

What possible reason do any of you have for not wanting him to play for us?

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Of the major QB prospects, he plays in the simplest offense of all. It's going to be a huge adjustment having to do so many things pre and post-snap that he didn't have to do in college at all.

That said, I wouldn't mind if we took him. He or Green are our best bets. But let's not kid ourselves like he doesn't have weaknesses.

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spread offense

character issues

doesn't play under center

only started 1 season

run first pass second

just a few reasons there. all legitimate reasons not to take him number 1. no one knows how he would do under center but he does have good footwork in the pocket. also, he might not even declare for the draft too, he might go back to auburn for another year.

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The question about Newton is whether he will have the patience to stay in the pocket and throw the ball with the accuracy that is necessary to be a stater in the NFL. Running QBs may get you to the brink, but can they win championships? There is a risk to drafting a running QB. You may lose out on a sure thing at another position.

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I'm going to guess they fear of spread offense stats and the controversy...But I've seen enough of him to see he could help turn this franchise around; would also give a reason for the national media to pay attention(they tried with clausen but the suckage stopped that train).

I'd take Newton at first if he comes out(another guy we have to wait to see if they declare >.<)...

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I'd rather see YOU justify why he IS worth #1 overall. Looks like you're going almost strictly off of his stats. Stats for college quarterbacks are not a good way to evaluate them, not at all. Look at guys like Colt Brennan. Those goofy offenses they run can make even the worst quarterbacks put up huge stats.

Seems to me a #1 pick should be something a little better than a 'project' with 'upside.'

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