Here's a new Jimmy C question for you

[rayzor]

I have a lot of respect for the people in here supporting JC. We all agree that his performance was terrible this year. The difference between the Clausen supporters and the Clausen bashers is this: Football IQ.

Bashers: When was the last time a second round QB did well starting early in his rookie year?

Assuming you find an example, how good was his offensive line (did he have 3 reserves starting for most of the time he started)?

Were his coaches lame ducks?

How many of his WRs were rookies?

No second round QB in history has ever succeeded under these conditions. In fact, maybe only a handful who ever played the game could have succeeded.

Time to get real and grow up. Your antics are childish, negative, ignorant, and bascially erroneous. It is February. Time to quit pouting.

who are you aiming that at?

[chef17]

I have a lot of respect for the people in here supporting JC. We all agree that his performance was terrible this year. The difference between the Clausen supporters and the Clausen bashers is this: Football IQ.

Bashers: When was the last time a second round QB did well starting early in his rookie year?

Assuming you find an example, how good was his offensive line (did he have 3 reserves starting for most of the time he started)?

Were his coaches lame ducks?

How many of his WRs were rookies?

No second round QB in history has ever succeeded under these conditions. In fact, maybe only a handful who ever played the game could have succeeded.

Time to get real and grow up. Your antics are childish, negative, ignorant, and bascially erroneous. It is February. Time to quit pouting.

You fail to understand "Clausen bashers". No one expected him to perform well, his situation sucked. People expected him to progress over the season and show potential to be a Franchise QB. Some people didn't see any potential in him, that's their opinion. That has nothing to do with football IQ, simply perception.

[SPANKY]

Clausen and Moore both should get a fair shake with the new coaching staff and healthy oline. Let them go at it in camp with a vet QB in the mix and may the best QB win. None of our QB's got that with Fox last season.

[monstercat]

I don't hate Clausen at all, but I do believe his ceiling is pretty low. I can see him becoming a pretty decent starter, but never a star.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Well if Jimmy tried to throw anybody under the bus it would probably be intercepted /trolling

I would pie this if I could.

[KatsAzz]

Last year, the knock on Clausen was that he was a prima donna and something of a jerk who would throw his teammates under the bus in a heartbeat.

It seems like everyone has their own personal favorite thing to complain about, but has anything like this been an issue at any time in the past season?

I haven't heard of any issues of Clausen throwing a teammate under the bus last year,however given the situation he was placed in and the way he struggled he would have been in no position to point fingers.

[MaxiMus]

i'm more referring to what he had in college. he had a whole lot more going for him in those situations than he did here. he didn't look anything like what he did his last couple years at ND. he looked like a scared kid back there. i think his skills will show more once the game settles down for him.

i don't think that fox/davidson had him in a situation where he could succeed. i've heard talk about how paranoid they were of making mistakes so they coached scared and limited what everyone could do. i'm thinking a lot of that playin scared passed on to the players, esp. those who weren't more established. they didn't trust clausen (not that he gave them a whole lot of reason to) so they held him back. when you get to the point where it's pretty obvious you are looking at a 1 or 2 win season, you should just let things fly and at least try to make it interesting. they didn't do that and it really didn't help anyone's development.

all this could be true, i don't know.

there are a few areas of huge concern for me with clausen. his maturity level and leadership abilities are at the forefront, though. you can read his tweets and see that he has a ton of growing up to do and i just don't see it happening very soon. his maturity level is going to really effect his leadership skills. i just don't see him as being someone that can stand there in the huddle and get or command the respect that the general on the field needs to have.

the only thing about either of those, it has to happen in the middle of the battle. if he is going to mature, it is going to have to come in the midst of conflict. if he is going to become a leader and get the respect he needs, it is going to come in battle. he has to be able to fight to get the start and fight to get this team some wins, and they can't be easy wins either. it has to be him going out there and bringing the team back from behind and carrying him on their back doing it. if he can pull that off, the other guys on the team will respond to him a lot better and they will play at a higher level. his confidence will help him out as well. if he can accomplish that, i feel pretty good about his potential. it's just a question of him being able to.

he should get an honest shot at the start, but it shouldn't be without competition. i don't care where that competition comes from, as long as it is for the long term job and it's honest.

one thing that he is always going to have a problem with is all these people who just hate the kid and won't give him a chance. they've already made up their minds about him without seeing if he can do better in a better situation. he'll have it next year with a better coaching staff. all excuses will be gone at that point. if he can't win the job next year, i doubt he will ever be able to.

Give him the opportunity, because it won't matter. Immature, mature, punk, or nice guy. All that matters is can he play QB in the NFL? My answer is NO. He did not show any attributes that it takes to be an NFL QB. Wait, I take that back. He showed some mobility, but he was bailing out of his pockets way too soon. For 2 reasons: 1. He couldn't see over his o-line and had to get outside to be able to see clearly downfield. 2. He can't get the pass over his o-line because of his baby hands which causes a slow side arm release. JC is going to strugggle to play anywhere in the NFL. He just happened to get exposed his rookie year. Better sooner than later, I always say.

[frash.exe]

Raging Bull still making QB related comments after championing Nate Davis and the fact Carolina would never use a high pick on a signal caller?

Really? Is Aaron Rodgers playing in the Super Bowl?

well you championed Clausen's talent level so stfu you useless mod

I hate Clausen. I cannot deny his talent.

[bleys]

I don't understand how labels are put on every topic.. you're either a "asshole supporter or asshole basher"

any of you really pay attention to what someone is saying or you juse group someone into a label if they have an opinion that differs from yours?

Clausen "supporters" are just saying... its 1 year, with a incompetent coaching staff.. he has a 4 year contract.. there are 3 QB roster spots.. it would be stupid to ditch him after a year that had "failure" written all over it..

sure, chances are he'll suck.. but why are you all so butt hurt that he'll stay on the roster?

[CRA]

I don't understand how labels are put on every topic.. you're either a "asshole supporter or asshole basher"

any of you really pay attention to what someone is saying or you juse group someone into a label if they have an opinion that differs from yours?

Clausen "supporters" are just saying... its 1 year, with a incompetent coaching staff.. he has a 4 year contract.. there are 3 QB roster spots.. it would be stupid to ditch him after a year that had "failure" written all over it..

sure, chances are he'll suck.. but why are you all so butt hurt that he'll stay on the roster?

and at the same time, overall the "bashers" aren't saying to cut him.....just that he has shown zero signs he should be considered a starting option next season.

[SPANKY]

I don't expect Jimmy to start next year, just don't think he should be the best QB on the roster when camp is over.

[bleys]

and at the same time, overall the "bashers" aren't saying to cut him.....just that he has shown zero signs he should be considered a starting option next season.

you would be one of FEW who are saying that... there are plenty of bashers saying Clausen should be cut.. lol

as you have pointed out, amongst reasonable people, there isn't a difference between "basher" and "supporter"... instead, unintelligent -vs- intelligent..

Clausen really shouldn't be playing next year.. he needs to sit the bench for a year and utilize 1 of our 3 QB spots efficiently.. and instead of putting 1 backup and 1 tool who will never see the field, we can save 1 spot for a 2nd round QB and see how he develops...

[frash.exe]

I don't understand how labels are put on every topic.. you're either a "asshole supporter or asshole basher"

any of you really pay attention to what someone is saying or you juse group someone into a label if they have an opinion that differs from yours?

Clausen "supporters" are just saying... its 1 year, with a incompetent coaching staff.. he has a 4 year contract.. there are 3 QB roster spots.. it would be stupid to ditch him after a year that had "failure" written all over it..

sure, chances are he'll suck.. but why are you all so butt hurt that he'll stay on the roster?

there's a lot of different viewpoints about clausen. there's people like me who said he had to get his feet wet this year to learn that playing in the NFL is not like playing at Notre Dame and to get some of the kinks out of his game in order to improve as a player. I think bringing in some competition this year will be good for him. then there's people who just downright hate him for no apparent reason, people willing to write off last season completely (rare) and then there are hapless rubes such as delhommey who verbally jerked off clausen's talent level last year and then flip flopped a shitload and thinks he has as much potential as drew stanton now. so naturally if clausen elevates his level of play this nerd moderator is going to break out that bottle of e-lotion once again

[chef17]

you would be one of FEW who are saying that... there are plenty of bashers saying Clausen should be cut.. lol

as you have pointed out, amongst reasonable people, there isn't a difference between "basher" and "supporter"... instead, unintelligent -vs- intelligent..

Clausen really shouldn't be playing next year.. he needs to sit the bench for a year and utilize 1 of our 3 QB spots efficiently.. and instead of putting 1 backup and 1 tool who will never see the field, we can save 1 spot for a 2nd round QB and see how he develops...

And because of those people we all get classified as "Clausen bashers who just hate the kid". I am of the same opinion as CRA, I don't think Clausen should be cut that would be stupid. However, I also don't think he has shown any potential to be a franchise QB. Will he develop into one? None of us know. But as of right now, doesn't look good for him.