Matt Maiocco has us taking Newton # 1 overall

[Mr. Scot]

There are two other veteran possibilities out there (one via trade) with Turner/Zampese connections.

[The Saltman]

I would have deleted it but u already quoted me

[TheRealDeal]

I would have deleted it but u already quoted me

I'm very quick

What did the other comment say?

[The Saltman]

what are u talking about?

[Lumps]

We now have the best opportunity to get the best Qb in the draft (and yes there are some very good ones) and most of you want to bail on it because it too risky. You guys sound like Fox.

[Urrymonster]

We now have the best opportunity to get the best Qb in the draft (and yes there are some very good ones) and most of you want to bail on it because it too risky. You guys sound like Fox.

And so does anyone in the first round, that doesn't concern you? That someone sitting at the mid/bottom first possibly even second round realistically has a favorable shot at a guy that you want to pick #1 overall? Newton can easily drop. But, next year you think anyone not sitting at the top 3 will have a realistic shot at Luck? Nope. Just becasue he is 'your guy' doesn't mean it's smart overindulge on him. Like I said that is something you do later rounds but since we are the panthers and have nothing to lean back on it would be dumb to take a project that would take almost all of Rivera's time here.

Newton is a running QB. He may have threw just as much TDs as he ran but that is a testament of how true the statement of him being a runner more than than 'he can pass too'. He is a QB. You have to strip him of his college success and break down what he does and how he does it and will it apply in the NFL? You can just sit there and look at how many TDs but how he got them. Most of them would be 100% worthless in the NFL IMO.

and its stupid to keep comparing him to Vick, Vick is a rariety, he mad the run game work but he is pretty much alone in what he does/did to the degree in which he did it (formulate specific running plays). He is not the norm and if you want to compare at least be realistic.

I think the issue you are over looking is the relativity between positions. If you draft a QB number 1, then you are committed to him for essentially his first contract. Draft a different position and if he doesn't pan out, you can shift him elsewhere (Ots can move inside, DLine to pass rush specialists, CBs to S).

As there are question marks over all the QBs, it's difficult to really get on board with committing to the player for the next 5 years. However draft Fairley, Peterson, Green etc and we have the flexibility if they don't pan out of making them fit elsewhere on the team.

[rayzor]

And so does anyone in the first round, that doesn't concern you? That someone sitting at the mid/bottom first possibly even second round realistically has a favorable shot at a guy that you want to pick #1 overall? Newton can easily drop. But, next year you think anyone not sitting at the top 3 will have a realistic shot at Luck? Nope. Just becasue he is 'your guy' doesn't mean it's smart overindulge on him. Like I said that is something you do later rounds but since we are the panthers and have nothing to lean back on it would be dumb to take a project that would take almost all of Rivera's time here.

Newton is a running QB. He may have threw just as much TDs as he ran but that is a testament of how true the statement of him being a runner more than than 'he can pass too'. He is a QB. You have to strip him of his college success and break down what he does and how he does it and will it apply in the NFL? You can just sit there and look at how many TDs but how he got them. Most of them would be 100% worthless in the NFL IMO.

and its stupid to keep comparing him to Vick, Vick is a rariety, he mad the run game work but he is pretty much alone in what he does/did to the degree in which he did it (formulate specific running plays). He is not the norm and if you want to compare at least be realistic.

he threw 10 more TDs than rushing TDs.

he was 11th in TD passes thrown. 16th in comp%, 1st in yards/att, 2nd highest QB rating.

yes, he's a QB and a pretty stinking good one at that. on top of that he's also an incredible rusher.

more than that, he's got the intangilbles you want as a leader and a QB.

[TheRealDeal]

he threw 10 more TDs than rushing TDs.

he was 11th in TD passes thrown. 16th in comp%, 1st in yards/att, 2nd highest QB rating.

yes, he's a QB and a pretty stinking good one at that. on top of that he's also an incredible rusher.

more than that, he's got the intangilbles you want as a leader and a QB.

Where was he in rushing att per game among QBs?

Hell, give me that number among all backs

[Snake]

We now have the best opportunity to get the best Qb in the draft (and yes there are some very good ones) and most of you want to bail on it because it too risky. You guys sound like Fox.

And so does anyone in the first round, that doesn't concern you? That someone sitting at the mid/bottom first possibly even second round realistically has a favorable shot at a guy that you want to pick #1 overall? Newton can easily drop. But, next year you think anyone not sitting at the top 3 will have a realistic shot at Luck? Nope. Just becasue he is 'your guy' doesn't mean it's smart overindulge on him. Like I said that is something you do later rounds but since we are the panthers and have nothing to lean back on it would be dumb to take a project that would take almost all of Rivera's time here.

Newton is a running QB. He may have threw just as much TDs as he ran but that is a testament of how true the statement of him being a runner more than than 'he can pass too'. He is a QB. You have to strip him of his college success and break down what he does and how he does it and will it apply in the NFL? You can just sit there and look at how many TDs but how he got them. Most of them would be 100% worthless in the NFL IMO.

and its stupid to keep comparing him to Vick, Vick is a rariety, he mad the run game work but he is pretty much alone in what he does/did to the degree in which he did it (formulate specific running plays). He is not the norm and if you want to compare at least be realistic.

I love how no one can imagine the fact that Newton can be a pocket passer for us if we want him too but a Pocket passer can never be a runner. If we strip all of what he did in collage then we have to strip the fact that his system required him to run a whole lot because of his size. If we strip it down to just a QB then this is it.

He has a strong arm

He can scramble to make plays.

He has good pocket awareness and defenders slide off of him.

He has good size and muscle build that will allow him to take on the punishment of the NFL.

He holds the ball high and well protected.

He throws off his back foot way too much and dose not step into his throws.

He comes from a system that dose not require more then two reads.

Also since we are not looking at his collage past we must understand he is working with a Pro trainer that works with the likes of Ben Rothisburger so he should already be learning the 3 and 7 step drop. As well as not throwing off his back foot.

Thats where we stand at this point... Like it or not he is a hard worker and is showing he desires to be good. Does that make him good? No, but its a good start and something you would expect from a Fran QB.

[teeray]

And so does anyone in the first round, that doesn't concern you? That someone sitting at the mid/bottom first possibly even second round realistically has a favorable shot at a guy that you want to pick #1 overall? Newton can easily drop. But, next year you think anyone not sitting at the top 3 will have a realistic shot at Luck? Nope. Just becasue he is 'your guy' doesn't mean it's smart overindulge on him. Like I said that is something you do later rounds but since we are the panthers and have nothing to lean back on it would be dumb to take a project that would take almost all of Rivera's time here.

Newton is a running QB. He may have threw just as much TDs as he ran but that is a testament of how true the statement of him being a runner more than than 'he can pass too'. He is a QB. You have to strip him of his college success and break down what he does and how he does it and will it apply in the NFL? You can just sit there and look at how many TDs but how he got them. Most of them would be 100% worthless in the NFL IMO.

and its stupid to keep comparing him to Vick, Vick is a rariety, he mad the run game work but he is pretty much alone in what he does/did to the degree in which he did it (formulate specific running plays). He is not the norm and if you want to compare at least be realistic.

[TheRealDeal]

He throws off his back foot way too much and dose not step into his throws.

He comes from a system that dose not require more then two reads.

Thats where we stand at this point... Like it or not he is a hard worker and is showing he desires to be good. Does that make him good? No, but its a good start and something you would expect from a Fran QB.

1/3 isn't so bad

[rayzor]

Where was he in rushing att per game among QBs?

Hell, give me that number among all backs

why does that matter?

you're just muddiying up things. i'm talking about how effective he was as a passing QB.

he had 30 passing TDs on 280 passing attempts. compare that with all the rest of those with 30 or more passing TDs.

bryant moiz- 39 TDs on 555 attempts

landry jones- 38 TDs on 618 att

dominique davis - 37 TDs on 608 att

kellen moore- 35 TDs on 383 att

taylor potts- 35 TDs on 550 att

brandon weeden- 34 TDs on 511 att

ryan mallett- 32 TDs on 411 att

andrew luck- 32 TDs on 372 att

kyle padron- 31 TDs on 508 att

GJ kinne- 31 TDs on 460 att

alex carder- 30 TDs on 458 att

darron thomas- 30 TDs on 360 att

the guy flat out gets the job done. he's an effective QB that gets the team down the field and into the endzone.

talk about that, then add to it his success as a runner when he decides not to pass. looking at his rushing...he was on a rush heavy team that ran the ball 652 times last year (6th in ncaa), of which newton accounted for 264 carries (40%).

if they wanted to pass, he got the job done. if they wanted to run, he and the rest of the team got the job done. if they wanted to get into the endzone...newton made sure it got done. when they wanted to win...newton got it done.

very little reason to think that he couldn't do the same at the next level. if he has the work ethic, is coachable, and can keep his head on straight (and yes, it is on straight since leaving florida), his success in college should translate into the pros.

someone is going to recognize this and the rest of the league that had a need at QB and didn't take advantage of the opportunity is going to be feeling sick or making up excuses for not doing it.

[CarolinaKat]

Honestly, I dont see what the problem is having a running QB. When he rolls out the pocket the LB's and defensive backfield have to adjust. If the O plans to send WR's deep like Chud said in his video, thats leaves alot of open room. A mobile QB is way better then one that stands in the pocket. The league is filled with those guys and most of them are lifetime backups. Rodgers and Big Ben are pocket passers that can run. Your not going to get that with Clausen. Moore maybe if he even comes back.

[TheRealDeal]

why does that matter?

you're just muddiying up things. i'm talking about how effective he was as a passing QB.

It matters because that helped him get favorable matchups on the outside. To stop the roughly 22 rushing attempts a game from Cam as a runner, the defenses would put more guys in the box, thus allowing Cam to hit those swing passes or screens to slot guys while the WR blocked and get big gains. It also allowed for single coverage on the outside with little safety help. It is 100x easier to complete passes against single coverage and that is what he saw most of the year. When your routes are streaks or swings, it's not hard to put up the numbers he did.

That is why his rushing attempts are important. It set up every other aspect of the game. It allowed him to be the passer he was. He's not that skilled of a passer by any means but when the defense has to stop the attempts with more bodies, something that won't be needed in the NFL, it opens up opportunities for him through the air.

Just something that's important to note.