So hypothetically speaking

[monstercat]

He doesn't. How could he?

But that doesn't mean they are ready to invest our top pick in a quarterback. You MUST have complete confidence in a QB if you take them first overall. They may rather see what Clausen has in camp before they decide if they should abandon the project or not, because they can address other areas with the first pick.

Well it's kind of hard to wait for camp when the draft will be over by then. Anyway, I sure haven't seen a quote from Rivera or Hurney that says they are not open to drafting a QB, have you?

[mav1234]

Why the hell would they say that? Of course they're still open to it... Doesn't mean they'd do it. Plus it would greatly devalue the pick to give away something like that.

[monstercat]

Why the hell would they say that? Of course they're still open to it... Doesn't mean they'd do it. Plus it would greatly devalue the pick to give away something like that.

What is your argument then? It seems like we're on the same page and that drafting a QB is definitely an option.

Anyway, Rivera and Hurney have both said that QB is the #1 priority, so I don't understand how anybody can interpret that as "we're going with Jimmy and a FA veteran". I also don't understand how anybody can say that Pike is not expendable. What has he done to deserve the loyalty of Rivera?

[jayflip]

What is your argument then? It seems like we're on the same page and that drafting a QB is definitely an option.

Anyway, Rivera and Hurney have both said that QB is the #1 priority, so I don't understand how anybody can interpret that as "we're going with Jimmy and a FA veteran". I also don't understand how anybody can say that Pike is not expendable. What has he done to deserve the loyalty of Rivera?

I firmly believe he meant it as "talent at QB is a number 1 priority, be it developing Jimmy, drafting QB high or bringing on FA...all for COMPETITION"

so yes, drafting a QB is a possibility, but it always has been. That statement isn't to be taken literally, Hurney would never tip his hand like that. It's just a convoluted way of saying getting better QB play us our number 1 priority, and there are many options and avenues that they are considering.

[monstercat]

I firmly believe he meant it as "talent at QB is a number 1 priority, be it developing Jimmy, drafting QB high or bringing on FA...all for COMPETITION"

so yes, drafting a QB is a possibility, but it always has been. That statement isn't to be taken literally, Hurney would never tip his hand like that. It's just a convoluted way of saying getting better QB play us our number 1 priority, and there are many options and avenues that they are considering.

Fine, but why to people keep telling me that it's so unlikely that the Panthers draft a QB, or that a FA veteran is a better option than drafting somebody with some elite talent, or that defense is a bigger need. And my favorite...we might end up with two good young QB's, which will take away from some other position.

Seriously, we had the worst offense in the NFL last year. How is an aging veteran gonna fix that? How is a rookie DT gonna make such an "immediate impact" that it will make up for a putrid offense? How is a WR gonna help when we already have three young one's on the roster and nobody to throw them the ball?

I just don't get the logic in these arguments.

[Mr. Scot]

Any draft pick is a two to three year project.you learn on the job,by doing the job.and other teams have giving up on young qbs.he can start from day one.

You don't use the #1 overall pick in the draft on a two to three year project, especially not in our current situation.

Big Risk?

Cam Newton- (6'6, 250 lbs) 30 TD's, 2859 Passing yards, 182 passer rating, Heisman Trophy winner. Led his team to National Championship.

I'm always amused that people keep trying to use the Heisman and the National Championship as valid arguments in favor of drafting a guy :nonod:

I say again: Go back and look at the names of the guys that have that on their resume' over the past 10 or 20 years (and where they are now) then come back and tell me again how those things factor in your favor.

I firmly believe he meant it as "talent at QB is a number 1 priority, be it developing Jimmy, drafting QB high or bringing on FA...all for COMPETITION"

so yes, drafting a QB is a possibility, but it always has been. That statement isn't to be taken literally, Hurney would never tip his hand like that. It's just a convoluted way of saying getting better QB play us our number 1 priority, and there are many options and avenues that they are considering.

Pretty much.

Given our current situation, a draft pick is the option that makes the least sense. But given that it'd be nice to get a good trade offer for that top pick, we're not gonna say that.

I'd add that anyone who thinks they're not going to give Clausen a chance to compete for the starting job this season is dreaming.

[whynot]

I'm sure Luck will get plenty of love next year ,buts its going to be interesting how he does losing some key parts and new coach .All qbs look great on great teams.

So many times it doesnt turn out the way we expect .I still say for such a smart? player

he made a pretty reckless decision.It more than likely will turn out for him but (WHAT IF)

[whynot]

Whose to say that some these infamous bust weren't because they played on terrible teams and awful FO. young players put out to soon (sound familiar)on teams with little or no veteran leadership, Coaches and player loses confidence,fans playing blame game

I've never thrown a football outside of the front yard,but I betcha ,you gotta believe

and you know your coach believes in you too.I'm not a Clauseen fan ,but I don't believe there was a qb in the nfl that would have got us to the playoffs with the team we had last year

[raleigh-panther]

Newton is not a guy who can start from day one. Neither is any other QB on the board.

Neither is any of the QBs on our roster.

Tony Pike should never, ever, have been drafted. To count him and Matt Moore, well, that's abysmal, throw Clausen in there, what a mess.

That's like saying we should not draft linebackers because we have them and our LB core is a whole lot better than our QB situation, and yet we drafted Dan Connor and with Thomas Davis frequent injuries, we would have been in a bad place without him.

I have watched this team pass on Rodgers and Flacco, and not trade up boldly for a QB as the Jets did 2 years ago, and here we are.

Moore, Clausen and Pike, some how that does not spell a winning QB combo to me.

If Newton is the pick, I'm fine with it. As I said in another thread, you can't teach athleticism, or speed, or size or a big arm. It's god given, a player has it or they don't. There is no QB on the Panthers roster who has any of that.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Amen. I'll also add a lot of these fans didnt become fans UNTIL the Fox era, so its all they know.

This has to be true. I keep hearing over and over again on these boards that this team is the worst panther team in history.

I think this team would beat the crap out of that 2001 panther team

[mav1234]

hmm... Moore or Clausen at QB vs the 2001 team? Home or away? ;)

Panthers won't limit their options right now but drafting a QB is less likely than drafting a player on D... but we'll see, plenty of time for that to change. I do think it is more likely that if Newton goes #1 overall, it wasn't the Panthers drafting him, but I could be wrong.

The Panthers will be bringing in a FA QB whether we draft a QB or not this draft... I think that is kinda obvious. I think we'll probably even get two (though one could be Moore) if we don't draft anyone. It's not necessarily that any of these FAs are better than Newton could be, but we have to consider that if we address QB FA, even if it is temporarily, that QB is likely to have a greater impact on the team this year than Cam Newton. Plus, we'd have our #1 pick still to address other needs. So, FA QB + Other draft pick may have a bigger impact than just rookie drafted QB...

[KaseKlosed]

Cam most rush yards by a qb in SEC History

Cam highest passer rating in SEC History

Cam first QB to beat 8 ranked teams in one season

Cam finished the season without a loss

Cam led a team with the worst defense numbers wise to a national title

Cam won the heisman on the 3rd biggest landslide ever

[chef17]

Cam most rush yards by a qb in SEC History

Cam highest passer rating in SEC History

Cam first QB to beat 8 ranked teams in one season

Cam finished the season without a loss

Cam led a team with the worst defense numbers wise to a national title

Cam won the heisman on the 3rd biggest landslide ever

None of those mean anything in the NFL.

[SorthNarolina]

Im drunk as hell but not so drunk thst I can post from my phone I love you guys for all the convos