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Overall more successful than his brother, the gloved wonder. That said, you get the impression his upward trajectory stalled when he broke his leg. He still put up numbers afterwards - it's crazy he owns all Raiders passing stats - but was never really in the conversation on great QBs of his time. 

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5 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

The Manning's know just how hard it is mentally to play QB in the NFL so I really doubt they would let Arch go after 1 full season as a starter in college. He's making a boat load in NIL right now, so he doesn't need to leave for money reasons. Having him stay in college so he can fully develop as a QB before he goes pro is the route they will go with. If they wanted him to go pro as soon as possible he wouldn't have stayed or even went to Texas. Steve Sarkisian sold the Manning family on being able to develop Arch as a QB and I feel like they are going to be patient. 

I mean, next year's draft is the first year of his eligibility anyway. Honestly, if they're trying to minimize his injury risk exposure in college this is the path. Sit for two years, light it up for a year, gone.

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38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

*a new contender in the Arch Manning sweepstakes enters*

Can anyone remember this much hype for a guy who rode the pine behind a 7th round pick for two years? It's pretty wild. If his last name was anything other than Manning everyone would've forgotten about this kid by now and he'd have to be reintroduced this fall as the #1 QB recruit from a few years back.

Yea top recruits flame out in college all the time.  I feel like Arch would have to be a complete disaster to not go 1st when he comes out.

FWIW I like Nussmeier.

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why? If you're gonna go #1 why wait? Every snap in football has the real potential to be the last one you take or the one that results in an injury that leaves you a significantly diminished version of your former self. Guys like Ewers need to stay in college and collect NIL money until they run out of eligibility. High 1st rounders need to go.

Especially with his playing style. Physically and stylistically he's very similar to Drake Maye. But that style of play ups the injury risk for sure.

Hell, if anything I think the Mannings were fully willing to just keep Arch on the shelf limiting his exposure to injury risk in the college game. Just show what you can do for one year and bounce.

Exactly because of that both his uncles played four years. 

It's pretty obvious his uncles are trying to help him carefully manicure a legacy that that keeps with the "Manning" name.... 

 

As you pointed out earlier the money doesnt matter to him one way or anther....

 

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23 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think Texas could go 0-12 and he would still go #1 based on his name and traits like you say.  But nusselman and sellers may be actually better qbs. 

 

Man if bryce stinks it up this season its looking like a damn good year to swap out qbs.  Sellers highlights are just fuging jaw dropping

 I'm actually excited to see what Bryce can do this year after his strong finish. But yeah, if he regresses it looks like a potential good chance to turn the page.

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, it's gonna be a bad team and probably a dumpster fire of an organization. That's kinda what it takes to get the #1 overall pick minus a crazy trade up and even then... well, we all know. LOL 

If its the saints I could see the Mannings having him declare if he was protected there....

 

I mean going to his grandads team? Yep 

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2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Exactly because of that both his uncles played four years. 

It's pretty obvious his uncles are trying to help him carefully manicure a legacy that that keeps with the "Manning" name.... 

 

As you pointed out earlier the money doesnt matter to him one way or anther....

 

Neither Peyton nor Eli spent two years getting splinters in their ass behind a 7th round pick.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Neither Peyton nor Eli spent two years getting splinters in their ass behind a 7th round pick.

You realize how bad an example that is right? 

That's kinda like saying cam newton was third string behind The Golden Calf of Bristol and had to transfer 

 

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7 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

You realize how bad an example that is right? 

That's kinda like saying cam newton was third string behind The Golden Calf of Bristol and had to transfer 

 

Except that The Golden Calf of Bristol was a legitimately GREAT college QB (and he was a 1st round draft pick not a 7th). Like one of the legit best of all time. And it was only for one year. That's a terrible comparison.

 

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