give some props to Andy Dalton

[Joe Bear]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

That's upstate South Carolina royalty.

Holy oxymoron.

In all seriousness, I wasn't being serious. I'm familiar with Renfrow enough from seeing him play at Clemson.

[Waldo]

14 hours ago, CRA said:

Every team has different needs of the backup QB.   On some teams a young hopeful makes sense and on others an old worn out dude makes sense. 

We are a little more in the in-between IMO where you probably would prefer a Fields, Pickett, Howell type IMO.   So a young disappoint that you there is still some hail mary hope in.....given BY essentially was benched both seasons for performance (I know that's not the official line going into Seattle but I think most would agree he got a break and should of been benched later that year). 

I know we want Bryce to be the week 17 guy all season this upcoming year.  But it's still in the reasonable thought process that the other dude could show back up. 

A backup that isn't worth playing when they need it is just stupid. 2 years in a row Dalton has shown the adlbility ro be fun for 1 game and then he is washed. Thr fun game isn't great but it's fun at least. He is washed at this point and that fine for him. He had a good career. 

I agree about the hail merry type for a number 2 by this point in our peocess. It doesn't even have anything to do with Bryce because he has his own thing and it's his 3rd year. It's just about wasting a valuable roster spot in a spot where healthy guys still miss time. It's just dumb when they aren't a rookie and it's a little suspect in year 2...which it certainly was last year after 1 game and the backup's body broke down again. It was a natural time to let Dalton go into retirement and they did the dumb thing IMO. 

[Waldo]

13 hours ago, Panthers Rhule said:

who should replace him then? Got any great names for us?

Replacing Dalton at 1-5 in 2 seasons isn't climbing the mount everest of roster management. Great isn't even in the conversation. Healthy and coachsble should have been with a QB 1 in his 3rd year. 

[CRA]

7 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Holy oxymoron.

In all seriousness, I wasn't being serious. I'm familiar with Renfrow enough from seeing him play at Clemson.

lol.  I 100% knew that,  I guess I failed in not making that reply even more comedically over the top.  I’ll try better in the future. 
 

 

[CRA]

9 hours ago, Icege said:

Not really. Just with you and mrcompletely11. 

Even though CRA is not a big believer in the team currently, he at least engages in good faith debate regarding them. Trying to have a rational conversation with you where you don't crash out and start being dismissive is outright impossible, so triggering you with poo emojis and pointing out your Bryce hate is the most effort I'm willing to put in until you figure out how to be a person.

I believe we could in fact be the best and most fun to watch team of the entire Tepper era.   So I’ll give you that.  I just think we stay under .500.  Flirt with that line.  

I do not think we have much room for injury though.  Really need a 17 game Hubbard season behind a largely healthy OL for that to happen though.  Still think the pass game is going to be on the weaker side given so much development with guys is in the works there so too much can't be placed on their shoulders.  100% has to be a complimentary O. 

[CRA]

9 hours ago, Icege said:

Not really. Just with you and mrcompletely11. 

Even though CRA is not a big believer in the team currently, he at least engages in good faith debate regarding them. Trying to have a rational conversation with you where you don't crash out and start being dismissive is outright impossible, so triggering you with poo emojis and pointing out your Bryce hate is the most effort I'm willing to put in until you figure out how to be a person.

I'll add one more thought for you Icege 

What could make me change my outlook? Think that will come down to the Panthers showing me something in preseason.  Not wins.  Not stats.  But I have long been a believer preseason can show you things about certain players, the team, etc (dates back to Matt Rhule era) and IMO has applied ever since.   

Do they actually rep Bryce Young and not try to hide him this year? I feel that applied the past 2 seasons and drastically hurt him going into both seasons (that's on staff).  The young Cam Newton way was the way.  Take lumps in preseason.  Shake the rust off.  Get used to game speed again.  Not using the start of the actual season for your very young QB to find a groove.   They haven't repped him or rep him less than stud QBs.  I don't think either preseason the team was showing confidence in reality (only word) of what they had going into either of the last 2 seasons.   

also, we need our young WRs doing the same.  They need the same reps.  Preseason games don't matter.  But they do.  They are real NFL reps vs people you don't see every day in real game environments.  They need lots of balls.  XL and Saunders combined for 2 catches all last preseason (XL at 0).    I get injury concerns and being overly cautious was part of that.  But those dudes still played.  Feel the staff did a poor job of working up our young guys in those moments leading into the season.  Get them catches.  Get them work.  

If BY, XL, Tmac, Saunders are out there all preseason putting in real work going into this season and showing some confidence?   The players on O that will matter are?  I might change my view.  If it's just a bunch of not seeing Bryce, not seeing Tmac, not seeing XL, not seeing Saunders, etc.....and being told but it's totally going to be great week 1? Meh. 

 

[WUnderhill]

To everybody who wants some random “developmental” QB as a backup, consider that the coaches may like Dalton as a backup for reasons that have nothing to do with Bryce Young. I’m sure it’s helpful having multiple QBs in practice who can run the offense and know where the ball is supposed to go when. Time that coaches don’t have to spend developing another QB when we have basically a whole roster to develop is valuable time. I guarantee Dalton is more helpful to developing our 2nd team offense than some random 6th round pick. That’s guys like Jalen Coker who are benefiting.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

To everybody who wants some random “developmental” QB as a backup, consider that the coaches may like Dalton as a backup for reasons that have nothing to do with Bryce Young. I’m sure it’s helpful having multiple QBs in practice who can run the offense and know where the ball is supposed to go when. Time that coaches don’t have to spend developing another QB when we have basically a whole roster to develop is valuable time. I guarantee Dalton is more helpful to developing our 2nd team offense than some random 6th round pick. That’s guys like Jalen Coker who are benefiting.

I don't want a random developmental QB as a backup.  I want someone young who people thought would be a franchise type QB and failed at first, looking for a second shot at redeeming himself in most scenarios.  Pending not a rookie or I got Mahomes or something.   

Bryce is a year 3 QB and sort of in no man's land.  Think he deserves real comp sitting on his heals.  A guy that believes he could take the job if the opportunity ever arose and be the guy.  

I mean, just hypothetically play out if Bryce Young were to return to being the dude he largely has been.....then we just insert Dalton.  It's a complete wasted season,  We have to essentially rebuild the entire room.  Who knows, maybe you catch some magic.  Have a Geno Smith situation.  Or a Jake Delhomme situation. 

[frankw]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

Not really. Just with you and mrcompletely11. 

Even though CRA is not a big believer in the team currently, he at least engages in good faith debate regarding them. Trying to have a rational conversation with you where you don't crash out and start being dismissive is outright impossible, so triggering you with poo emojis and pointing out your Bryce hate is the most effort I'm willing to put in until you figure out how to be a person.

You spent months "crashing out" in defense of Teddy Bridgewater. The high horse persona is just as played out as any trolling you accuse others of.

[frankw]

33 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't want a random developmental QB as a backup.  I want someone young who people thought would be a franchise type QB and failed at first, looking for a second shot at redeeming himself in most scenarios.  Pending not a rookie or I got Mahomes or something.   

Bryce is a year 3 QB and sort of in no man's land.  Think he deserves real comp sitting on his heals.  A guy that believes he could take the job if the opportunity ever arose and be the guy.  

I mean, just hypothetically play out if Bryce Young were to return to being the dude he largely has been.....then we just insert Dalton.  It's a complete wasted season,  We have to essentially rebuild the entire room.  Who knows, maybe you catch some magic.  Have a Geno Smith situation.  Or a Jake Delhomme situation. 

Could have easily gotten Sam Howell in a trade.

At the end of the day it seems there are several competitive teams that value legitimate young competition in their QB room because you never know what can happen throughout the course of a 17 game season.

Edited 6 hours ago by frankw

[WUnderhill]

52 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't want a random developmental QB as a backup.  I want someone young who people thought would be a franchise type QB and failed at first, looking for a second shot at redeeming himself in most scenarios.  Pending not a rookie or I got Mahomes or something.   

Bryce is a year 3 QB and sort of in no man's land.  Think he deserves real comp sitting on his heals.  A guy that believes he could take the job if the opportunity ever arose and be the guy.  

I mean, just hypothetically play out if Bryce Young were to return to being the dude he largely has been.....then we just insert Dalton.  It's a complete wasted season,  We have to essentially rebuild the entire room.  Who knows, maybe you catch some magic.  Have a Geno Smith situation.  Or a Jake Delhomme situation. 

Again, it may have nothing to do with Bryce Young. The coaches are thinking about the whole roster. Many guys have said how much different this off-season has been not having to start from square 1 with a playbook, language, etc. You’re talking about bringing in a guy to lead the 2nd team offense who they now have to spend time teaching. Every team is different. This team is young and developing across the board and trying to find some positive continuity. With how Morgan and Canales have approached everything I’m fairly certain they considered all possibilities and decided it was best for the overall team to roll with Dalton for now. They value whatever it is they feel Dalton brings over the extremely low probability of whatever washed out, journey man, reclamation project developing into a franchise QB. You and I have no idea why and aren’t there in the meetings, but it’s clear that the FO sees this young failed franchise QB project as less likely to pan out than you do.

[Panthers Rhule]

11 hours ago, Waldo said:

Replacing Dalton at 1-5 in 2 seasons isn't climbing the mount everest of roster management. Great isn't even in the conversation. Healthy and coachsble should have been with a QB 1 in his 3rd year. 

All of our QBs have been 1-5 at some point. But as I expected you have no names just lots of words that mean nothing. 

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Panthers Rhule said:

All of our QBs have been 1-5 at some point. But as I expected you have no names just lots of words that mean nothing. 

All one has to do is look around the NFL and look at the teams without cemented elite QB's and see that they're front offices and coaching staffs are not content with just having a QB pushing 40 and an afterthought UDFA behind their penciled in starter. And no matter how optimistic we are about Bryce Young given how he finished last season the position is anything but cemented by him. If someone out there thinks that the Panthers are ahead of the curve above these other teams some of which have actually been to the playoffs at any point in the last decade that's their prerogative but it's sheer fantasy at this point.

[Waldo]

41 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

All of our QBs have been 1-5 at some point. But as I expected you have no names just lots of words that mean nothing. 

Names for guys we can't sign anymore? Great comeback from a guy adding nothing but sniffing my ass on a legitimate take and has a board name of a massive joke in the NFL. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Waldo