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[CPcavedweller]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He is just Sam Darnold. Lots of talent, ten cent brain. 

Also, just not a good QB draft. Best of that bunch were Kyler, Jones and Minshew basically in that order. 

So one averageish starter and two backup QB's.

Jones is Sam Darnold? If Sam Darnold were here, he would be starting over Bryce. Bryce and Jones would be a competition. From when Rhule got fired to now, Darnold has looked like a first round QB. Made a mistake by letting him go and trading up for Bryce. 

Before you say anything about the Vikings, I said this same thing in 2023. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

He is just Sam Darnold. Lots of talent, ten cent brain. 

Also, just not a good QB draft. Best of that bunch were Kyler, Jones and Minshew basically in that order. 

So one averageish starter and two backup QB's.

Jones isn't close to the naturally talented passer that Darnold is. Darnold throws as good of a ball as anybody. He just has that panic gene in him.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

Jones is Sam Darnold? If Sam Darnold were here, he would be starting over Bryce. Bryce and Jones would be a competition. From when Rhule got fired to now, Darnold has looked like a first round QB. Made a mistake by letting him go and trading up for Bryce. 

Before you say anything about the Vikings, I said this same thing in 2023. 

You are more than free to be wrong. He was fool's gold last season, much like every other season he has been in the NFL.

Watch how badly this goes in Seattle....

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Jones isn't close to the naturally talented passer that Darnold is. Darnold throws as good of a ball as anybody. He just has that panic gene in him.

He has better arm talent but he is slightly less athletic and significantly less polished than Jones. Darnold is further behind in reading the field but they both struggle with making bone headed/dumb gunslinger decisions. 

I would say it's actually a good comp when you really do a side by side of strengths/weaknesses and even results.

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Colts have named Daniel Jones the starter over Anthony Richardson. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. 

The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. 

He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

The whole "take the phenomenal athlete and teach him to be a quarterback" model is just something I've never believed in.

They have to have the quarterback skills first. If they're also a great athlete, that's gravy. But The idea that you can turn a lousy passer / processor into a pro quarterback is just fallacy.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The whole "take the phenomenal athlete and teach him to be a quarterback" model is just something I've never believed in.

They have to have the quarterback skills first. If they're also a great athlete, that's gravy. But The idea that you can turn a lousy passer / processor into a pro quarterback is just fallacy.

The whole "draft a QB savant with no NFL measurables" argument is also on the rocks at the moment. You need a little bit of this, little bit of that to make it work.

Meanwhile, last year's MVP was a "draft an athlete and teach him how to be a QB" guy.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

No one wants to miss on the next Josh Allen.  The truth is Allen is clearly an outlier... 

Hell, even Allen himself hasn't proven he's got it all just yet.

Bottom line though, shooting for the next Josh Allen / Cam Newton all too frequently nets you the next Anthony Richardson / Trey Lance.

[Basbear]

Its all done and in the past, 20 20 etc.

Just if tepper hired a competent NFL coach or offense staff, they would have picked either Darnold or Mayfield. *then no reason to trade a kings ransom for a rookie QB that isn't burrow, luck, elway, or manning. 

Then use the 9th pick on Carter and next years 1st overall for trade back haul aka similar to Panthers. 

Now you have two or three 1st rounders and two-three second rounders all within the top 40. 

That would should have been the goal. 

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell, even Allen himself hasn't proven he's got it all just yet.

Bottom line though, shooting for the next Josh Allen / Cam Newton all too frequently nets you the next Anthony Richardson / Trey Lance.

Josh Allen hasnt proved it yet?  Thats a hot take

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell, even Allen himself hasn't proven he's got it all just yet.

Bottom line though, shooting for the next Josh Allen / Cam Newton all too frequently nets you the next Anthony Richardson / Trey Lance.

Scot, he just rightfully won the MVP. He had a better cam 2015 season. (those WRs, lols)

He's proven. 

If not for the chiefs dynasty, Allen would have a couple SB MVP on top of the clear MVP. High odds, imo. 

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You are more than free to be wrong. He was fool's gold last season, much like every other season he has been in the NFL.

Watch how badly this goes in Seattle....

Agreed. Minnesota was a very good situation for him. Going into a significantly lesser offensive situation won't be a surprise to see the same old Darnold return.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Scot, he just rightfully won the MVP. He had a better cam 2015 season. (those WRs, lols)

He's proven. 

If not for the chiefs dynasty, Allen would have a couple SB MVP on top of the clear MVP. High odds, imo. 

Newton made it to the Super Bowl, and commandingly so.

MVP doesn't prove anything to me until he at least makes it to the Super Bowl.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hell, even Allen himself hasn't proven he's got it all just yet.

wut?

I'm not sure he should've won the MVP last year but I don't think you'll find anyone that tries to argue that he's not currently a top 5 NFL QB. Seems to me that Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar, and Allen are clearly the top 5 guys with Mahomes clearly being #1 and then the arguing can start from there. LOL