ESPN: "Future" Power Rankings

[frankw]

Can't argue with the ranking. These media outlets aren't going to believe in this team until the Panthers can begin to string together wins early in the season when there is actually something on the line to play for.

Giants have talent but they like us have been cycling coaches at a high rate since Coughlin. DaBoll was a hot name and an up and coming coach the first few seasons and it looked like they might have finally hired the right one. Now look at them. Nothing is guaranteed.

[PNW_PantherMan]

37 minutes ago, frankw said:

These media outlets aren't going to believe in this team until the Panthers can begin to string together wins early in the season when there is actually something on the line to play for.

See I didn't think I had anything in common with media outlets.

[jtm]

This doesn't make any sense to me.  Almost a 1/3 of the NFL had the same or worse record than the Panthers last year they now have the worst roster while having one of the best defenders in the league back?  The Panthers certainly haven't earned anything, but anyone with half a brain that watches football could see what was happening with this franchise in the 2nd half of the season.  

This team is going to be competitive this year and like every NFL season, a couple plays will dictate whether they have 9 wins or 6 wins.  

[Loyalty4Life]

NFL has a huge amount of parity.  The talent level between most NFL starters outside of the top 5 to 10 guys at a position is very comparable. 

2020 worst teams

Jacksonville Jaguars - 1-15 (worst record in NFL)

New York Jets - 2-14

Cincinnati Bengals - 4-11-1

Atlanta Falcons - 4-12

Houston Texans - 4-12

Carolina Panthers - 5-11

Detroit Lions - 5-11

Philadelphia Eagles - 4-11-1

Los Angeles Chargers - 7-9

Denver Broncos - 5-11


2024 Worst teams

New York Giants - 3-14 (tied for worst)

Cleveland Browns - 3-14 (tied for worst)

Tennessee Titans - 3-14 (tied for worst)

New England Patriots - 4-13

Carolina Panthers - 5-12

Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-13

Las Vegas Raiders - 4-13

New York Jets - 5-12

Chicago Bears - 5-12

Arizona Cardinals - 8-9

Bengals, Texans, Lions, Eagles, Broncos and the Jags have all made the the playoffs in the last 3 years.

What I'm saying is it's stupid to argue when team is the worst when there is so much parity and the system allows quick turnarounds.  

 

[Mike2.0]

17 hours ago, frankw said:

Can't argue with the ranking. These media outlets aren't going to believe in this team until the Panthers can begin to string together wins early in the season when there is actually something on the line to play for.

Giants have talent but they like us have been cycling coaches at a high rate since Coughlin. DaBoll was a hot name and an up and coming coach the first few seasons and it looked like they might have finally hired the right one. Now look at them. Nothing is guaranteed.

Daboll is an interesting case because at the end of his first season Daniel Jones had a career year (granted 15 passing TDs is underwhelming) and looked set on taking the next step, and Saquon Barkley had his best season since his rookie year. Things looked positive. However, fast forward a year and Daniel Jones flopped and got injured playing behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history. They tried again with Daniel Jones and he failed again (4th time in 6 seasons). So is it the case that Daboll is a bad head coach or is it more accurate to say he got stuck with a bad quarterback?

I think part of Daboll’s problem has been the quarterback. Granted that doesn’t account for the OLs struggles and any other inconsistencies, but I think had Daniel Jones kicked on in 2023 then the view of Daboll would be very different. Time will tell if working with Russell Wilson and Jaxson Dart will save his head coaching career or end it.

[kungfoodude]

36 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

Daboll is an interesting case because at the end of his first season Daniel Jones had a career year (granted 15 passing TDs is underwhelming) and looked set on taking the next step, and Saquon Barkley had his best season since his rookie year. Things looked positive. However, fast forward a year and Daniel Jones flopped and got injured playing behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history. They tried again with Daniel Jones and he failed again (4th time in 6 seasons). So is it the case that Daboll is a bad head coach or is it more accurate to say he got stuck with a bad quarterback?

I think part of Daboll’s problem has been the quarterback. Granted that doesn’t account for the OLs struggles and any other inconsistencies, but I think had Daniel Jones kicked on in 2023 then the view of Daboll would be very different. Time will tell if working with Russell Wilson and Jaxson Dart will save his head coaching career or end it.

I think Daboll's career success will prove to be a result of being with Josh Allen and the Bills rather than vice versa. 

[kungfoodude]

16 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

NFL has a huge amount of parity.  The talent level between most NFL starters outside of the top 5 to 10 guys at a position is very comparable. 

2020 worst teams

Jacksonville Jaguars - 1-15 (worst record in NFL)

New York Jets - 2-14

Cincinnati Bengals - 4-11-1

Atlanta Falcons - 4-12

Houston Texans - 4-12

Carolina Panthers - 5-11

Detroit Lions - 5-11

Philadelphia Eagles - 4-11-1

Los Angeles Chargers - 7-9

Denver Broncos - 5-11


2024 Worst teams

New York Giants - 3-14 (tied for worst)

Cleveland Browns - 3-14 (tied for worst)

Tennessee Titans - 3-14 (tied for worst)

New England Patriots - 4-13

Carolina Panthers - 5-12

Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-13

Las Vegas Raiders - 4-13

New York Jets - 5-12

Chicago Bears - 5-12

Arizona Cardinals - 8-9

Bengals, Texans, Lions, Eagles, Broncos and the Jags have all made the the playoffs in the last 3 years.

What I'm saying is it's stupid to argue when team is the worst when there is so much parity and the system allows quick turnarounds.  

 

That's true in theory but poor management can lead to very long stretches of poor results. The system itself IS indeed set up to have parity and allow some level of fairness in building a team. 

But, history has proven time and time again that it is possible to be so inept you screw that up.

That's really at the back of most Panthers fans minds. Are we one of those teams now? It's not looking great.

 

 

[frankw]

4 hours ago, Mike2.0 said:

Daboll is an interesting case because at the end of his first season Daniel Jones had a career year (granted 15 passing TDs is underwhelming) and looked set on taking the next step, and Saquon Barkley had his best season since his rookie year. Things looked positive. However, fast forward a year and Daniel Jones flopped and got injured playing behind one of the worst OLs in NFL history. They tried again with Daniel Jones and he failed again (4th time in 6 seasons). So is it the case that Daboll is a bad head coach or is it more accurate to say he got stuck with a bad quarterback?

I think part of Daboll’s problem has been the quarterback. Granted that doesn’t account for the OLs struggles and any other inconsistencies, but I think had Daniel Jones kicked on in 2023 then the view of Daboll would be very different. Time will tell if working with Russell Wilson and Jaxson Dart will save his head coaching career or end it.

They definitely have had some bad luck but two things can be true and it certainly seems Daboll is in over his head at this point.

[Loyalty4Life]

Tepper made two awful decisions in Rhule and Reich.  

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Tepper made two awful decisions in Rhule and Reich.  

that is a very generous assessment of David Tepper