New Sunday Ticket pricing option available

[cvlngnir]

3 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Math in favor of them.  That is the same logic I would expect them to spew.

I am old, so I remember when cable prices were substantially less and things like this were just included.  We just keep falling, and because people will pay it (and seemingly defend it) there is no reason for companies to stop raking us.

I am sure I will get the old man yells at cloud meme for this, but I just found a price guide for cable in the 90s and it was insane how much they have increased since then.

I'm an old man, too. My back hurts and I yell at the clouds plenty. That's why I use the antenna.  I have never paid for cable TV. I have cable internet, but not TV. I get that we can feel like companies charge too much for a service, but I don't believe they are price gouging. They are simply working in the free market. When their price gets too high, either customers will decide to find another source or not watch at all.  When the system is working correctly the customer always feels like they could get a slightly better deal and the supplier always feels like they could have charged a little more.

On a side note, is there anyway you could post that pricing plan from the 1900's. I would love to see what we were complaining about back then.

[BlazeCarolina]

3 minutes ago, cvlngnir said:

I'm an old man, too. My back hurts and I yell at the clouds plenty. That's why I use the antenna.  I have never paid for cable TV. I have cable internet, but not TV. I get that we can feel like companies charge too much for a service, but I don't believe they are price gouging. They are simply working in the free market. When their price gets too high, either customers will decide to find another source or not watch at all.  When the system is working correctly the customer always feels like they could get a slightly better deal and the supplier always feels like they could have charged a little more.

On a side note, is there anyway you could post that pricing plan from the 1900's. I would love to see what we were complaining about back then.

Damn dude.  1900's makes it sound even worse.  I can never get an antenna to work these days for whatever reason. Guide is from 1993.

[BlazeCarolina]

6 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

don't blame the cable companies for high cable bills

blame the networks/channels that are charging the cable company for the privilege of carrying that material. ESPN itself runs about $13/per subscriber AND there's contractual obligation to keep ESPN on the basic tier, regardless of whether the household watches it or not. The cable company ain't making money on the ESPN carriage fee

there's a terrific book about the history of ESPN that goes into how they created their carriage fee ... and how cable companies were stuck having to pay it because that's what the customers wanted.  Then again, when ESPN started it was just cents per subscriber, so didn't sound as painful as it is today

All the carriage disputes that happen (like YouTube TV's upcoming FOX blackout, if the contract isn't signed) are because the cable company is trying not to raise rates for their customers, but the channels are saying "pay up"

I don't want to ignore you, since you took the time to respond, but I just don't see any value in making sure my detest is properly distributed here, especially when there is absolutely nothing I can do about it.

[PanthersATL]

1 minute ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Damn dude.  1900's makes it sound even worse.  I can never get an antenna to work these days for whatever reason. Guide is from 1993.

Disney Channel for $10/month in 1993? 

Disney+ (with ads) is $10/month today

[BlazeCarolina]

Just now, PanthersATL said:

Disney Channel for $10/month in 1993? 

Disney+ (with ads) is $10/month today

That was surprising to me too.  Standard service was $12.84 though!  With free additional outlets!

[cvlngnir]

5 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Damn dude.  1900's makes it sound even worse.  I can never get an antenna to work these days for whatever reason. Guide is from 1993.

Thanks. So, across the board, I think we are paying about the same per premium service (used to be a channel) but now we have to watch commercials for the same price. Compare YouTube TV to standard service cable and you head will spin. (more channels on YT TV now but still not a lot on).

[tukafan21]

18 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Math in favor of them.  That is the same logic I would expect them to spew.

I am old, so I remember when cable prices were substantially less and things like this were just included.  We just keep falling, and because people will pay it (and seemingly defend it) there is no reason for companies to stop raking us.

I am sure I will get the old man yells at cloud meme for this, but I just found a price guide for cable in the 90s and it was insane how much they have increased since then.

"Things like this" were never included with cable in the past, because there's never been anything like it. 

I can't think of a single league that you could watch every single game from it through your cable, even with an added sports package you'd just get a channel that carries various gamest.  Pretty sure the NFL was the first league to do this with Sunday Ticket, and they've all followed suit since, but even all of those are separate expensive packages just like Sunday Ticket is.

And given that the point of Sunday Ticket has always been for out of town fans to be able to watch their team every week, there really isn't any other math to run compared to the cost for an out of town fan to watch the Panthers every Sunday, at least legally.

I can understand wishing it was cheaper, of course I do too, but when you really look at it logically, it really isn't a bad price point.

[hepcat]

58 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Are they introducing a special Panthers package where they pay you to sign up for the punishment of having to actually watch Panthers games?

We'd all be millionaires my brother

[t96]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

It really isn't though

If you were to go out to a bar every week of the season, even to just watch one batch of games, i.e. just the 1 pm or just the 4 pm, and spent only $30 a week, you're looking at $540 bucks, $510 if you're just going for the 17 weeks your team is playing, assuming no national games.

Also, from past experience, it's hard to spend only 30 bucks if you're at a bar for 3+ hours to watch the game.  Even just a small appetizer, a meal, and say 2 beers was going to run you $40ish, and that was back in 2019 when I used to go to BWW to watch all our games pre the Covid year when I just started finding streams and stuck with that until YouTube got the package from DirecTV.

At $450 for a full season, to be able to watch every game, to be able to make your own quad box, to be able to switch between the sound for any game (at a bar in Michigan, I would never get to hear the commentary on our games)...

It's really not a bad deal, and that's if you're only watching your team's games.  If you're a fantasy football junkie like myself, then it's a flat out steal, as depending on your TV set up, you can get every game from your fantasy matchup playing.  I do a projector with a quad box on it, a local game on the TV, and then if needed, I can put another game on my laptop and another on my phone.

They have every right to charge that and if people will pay it so be it but from my perspective it is horribly overpriced. I get NBA and NHL packages combined for $120 a year through xfinity (like 150 games of the Canes and Hornets + other teams, compared to 15-16 Panthers games)… less than $1 per game. NFL is like $25 a game for home team. Not to mention I hate streaming and to not even have a cable option for NFL like I do NBA and NHL (well most games, some are steaming exclusive now which sucks too) pisses me off

[PleaseCutStewart]

Or i could just go to one of the many "high seas" websites and watch the game. Or just go to a bar - there are enough that have bottled cheap beers for $4-5 or a bucket of cheap beers for like $20.

Not sure why anyone pays for the NFL package in today's age

[t96]

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The league will never agree to it because it would make it painfully obvious which team's were actually driving the revenue for the league and the owners of those teams would start wanting their fair share of the cut versus an equal share.

I mean, maybe but it’s out of market viewers only and they certainly make the bulk of their $ from national games anyways. They won’t agree to it because fans will still just pay the $400 for the full package as there are no other options.

Edited 6 hours ago by t96

[hepcat]

I used to love an entire Sunday on the couch with Red Zone before I had kids but man o man those days are long gone. I'm lucky if I can sit on the couch and watch 10 consecutive minutes of any football game. Fatherhood came for me at the same time the team started dropping wet sloppy dumps on the football field every Sunday so probably it's a good thing I can't watch all the games. 

Also second note on Red Zone, I'm an Andrew Siciliano supporter and once they got rid of his version of Red Zone I was done. The pace of Scott Hansen's red zone is way too disjointed and random, I gave it a shot last year for a free trial and I couldn't follow each game like I could with Siciliano's pacing. Plus Siciliano's voice was nicer to listen to like a warm towel and he would throw out cheeky comments about bad teams which always made me laugh. 

[BlazeCarolina]

12 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

"Things like this" were never included with cable in the past, because there's never been anything like it. 

I can't think of a single league that you could watch every single game from it through your cable, even with an added sports package you'd just get a channel that carries various gamest.  Pretty sure the NFL was the first league to do this with Sunday Ticket, and they've all followed suit since, but even all of those are separate expensive packages just like Sunday Ticket is.

And given that the point of Sunday Ticket has always been for out of town fans to be able to watch their team every week, there really isn't any other math to run compared to the cost for an out of town fan to watch the Panthers every Sunday, at least legally.

I can understand wishing it was cheaper, of course I do too, but when you really look at it logically, it really isn't a bad price point.

I just watch Panthers ball, so my perception is skewed by that.  I don't care about watching other games, so from that stand point, football always seemed "free".  I see your point, just clarifying from my view.

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, t96 said:

They have every right to charge that and if people will pay it so be it but from my perspective it is horribly overpriced. I get NBA and NHL packages combined for $120 a year through xfinity (like 150 games of the Canes and Hornets + other teams, compared to 15-16 Panthers games)… less than $1 per game. NFL is like $25 a game for home team. Not to mention I hate streaming and to not even have a cable option for NFL like I do NBA and NHL (well most games, some are steaming exclusive now which sucks too) pisses me off

The NFL averages 2.2 million viewers per PRESEASON game, the HOF game had 6.9 million viewers.

The NBA Finals averaged 10.3 million viewers for the Finals and 4.5 million across the playoffs overall.

They aren't even comparable, the NFL makes twice as much money a year as the NBA does, of course the TV packages are going to be very different.  Also, tons of fans will watch as many NFL games as possible (mainly because of Fantasy), but not a whole lot of them are going to be watching random NBA games every single night, at least not in comparison to with the NFL.