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Join me in betting against the Panthers this season


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44 minutes ago, Green-Ghost said:

All do respect and I sure understand the frustration.  

however, a true fan does not lose all hope for their team. At least not this early in the season.

I mean I don't think there is more than 1% of our fan base that has hope anymore, but I always want them to win. This simply cushions the blow but I can't help but see the opportunity to make money along the way to our road to a top 3 draft pick. 

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On 9/7/2025 at 9:02 PM, Montsta said:

Bruh this is old news. I been doing this since BY was drafted. I only bet on the Panthers last year in Vegas with AD playing against LV and won a good bit of money. If you bet against Panthers you will win, guaranteed, 14 out of 17 times. There is no reason why you shouldn’t empty your 401k and bet $20,000/week against Carolina. And if you lose one week, double up next week because there is zero chance of back to back wins for this team. 

This is actually extremely tempting. 

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On 9/7/2025 at 3:54 PM, Super Grateful said:

I am betting against the panthers on the money line or with their team total under on every game, $10,000+ bets each game. My goal is a $100,000 profit at the end of the season.

This is the greatest hack we can enjoy as fans that watch this team. We know them. They are not winning more than 30% of their games, that is a 70% ROI. 

Call it what you want, but I will be laughing my way to the bank this year - it is the only way to enjoy watching this team play.

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How much money do you have floating around to just put down $10,000 on the Panthers to lose and not care if it happens or not?

can you put your money to better use and give me $1,000 to put floors in my house that I had to unexpectedly gut?

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1 minute ago, CPcavedweller said:

How much money do you have floating around to just put down $10,000 on the Panthers to lose and not care if it happens or not?

can you put your money to better use and give me $1,000 to put floors in my house that I had to unexpectedly gut?

I don't want to be like mrbigcat but my business does well and I allocate a certain amount of money a year for betting. My unit size is usually only $100 a game but for something I feel so confident against, I will fire this amount away without much anxiety. 

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Just now, Super Grateful said:

I don't want to be like mrbigcat but my business does well and I allocate a certain amount of money a year for betting. My unit size is usually only $100 a game but for something I feel so confident against, I will fire this amount away without much anxiety. 

Well write a book or something because throwing down $10,000 without a care in the world and remaining in the US is dumb. Could take one year of winnings and go live on a beach in Central America and never have to work again. 

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10 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Well write a book or something because throwing down $10,000 without a care in the world and remaining in the US is dumb. Could take one year of winnings and go live on a beach in Central America and never have to work again. 

I follow gambling influencers that throw down $100K+ a game LMAO, I'm a dime player and only when it comes to this niche. Really not one some Jeff Bezos shid or something here hahaha.

I live in suburbia and have kids to take to school and youth sports to coach, I cant dip out to Central America 😂

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3 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

I follow gambling influencers that throw down $100K+ a game LMAO, I'm a dime player and only when it comes to this niche. Really not one some Jeff Bezos shid or something here hahaha.

I live in suburbia and have kids to take to school and youth sports to coach, I cant dip out to Central America 😂

A DIME PLAYER?!? My man, I live 40 minutes from the nearest Walmart and within spitting distance of three dollar stores, and there is one gas station within 15 miles of me. I’m also in North Carolina. 
 

What you are describing is peak bubble living man. Talking about $10,000 a weekend on a single bet as dime betting. Get out of the city man. 
 

Now if you want to really gamble, here is my pick of the game. Kyler Murray 2+ TD’s, Tet any time touchdown, Connor anytime touchdown. $20 to win $2,020. 
 

If you win, give me 10%. I feel great about it even though I understand the least likely portion of that is Murray to run two touchdowns in, I just have a feeling and my feelings are almost always wrong, but not this time. 

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2 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

A DIME PLAYER?!? My man, I live 40 minutes from the nearest Walmart and within spitting distance of three dollar stores, and there is one gas station within 15 miles of me. I’m also in North Carolina. 
 

What you are describing is peak bubble living man. Talking about $10,000 a weekend on a single bet as dime betting. Get out of the city man. 
 

Now if you want to really gamble, here is my pick of the game. Kyler Murray 2+ TD’s, Tet any time touchdown, Connor anytime touchdown. $20 to win $2,020. 
 

If you win, give me 10%. I feel great about it even though I understand the least likely portion of that is Murray to run two touchdowns in, I just have a feeling and my feelings are almost always wrong, but not this time. 

Mountains or the coast 

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Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

You just made me realize what it will take for the Panthers to become a playoff team again.  I just have to start betting against them.  As soon as I do that they will flourish into superbowl contenders.

Take one for the team bro!!

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