Tepper is still pulling the strings

[Panthering]

Not really? We just aren't that good which I think we already knew. You can't have a complete DUD of a draft like we did in 2024 and expect to contend in the following 2 seasons. That stuff matters a lot, especially when you're already a bottom dweller organization. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

He was an OC for Baker and the Bucs. Prior to that doesn't count as he wasn't the guy calling plays. You keep trying to give him credit for someone else's work. He has been given credit where it wasn't due. He's not a qb whisperer. That is what fans called him to have hope that he could fix Young because he "fixed" Geno and Baker when there was no proof he actually had anything to do with it.

He was Pete Carroll's passing game coordinator.  He was Pete Carroll's WR coach.  He was Pete Carroll's QB coach.   That's his coaching tree.   That's where he saw success.   You can't say that is meaningless......when he clearly took THAT knowledge and applied it to his OC gig in Tampa.  And we are seeing that here. 

I'm not giving him credit for anyone's work.  I'm just acknowledging how Dave Canales was made....and you literally can see how he has applied what he learned from Pete....in Tampa and now Carolina.  Because he is playing Pete Carroll Seattle ball (which was always west coast Foxball). 

 

[chknwing]

If Carolina already realizes Young isnt it, then they have to position themselves to find his replacement.  Theres nothing in this next draft and Arch manning looks terrible, it will probably come via trade in which they need draft capital for.  Top 5 pick in next years draft would be very lucrative to teams willing to unload a QB.  Who? No idea.  I feel the tank is on and everyone but Young knows it.

[Waldo]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Frank made sense only in that.......the org was coming off the Rhule poo show.  And the Frank era was basically going to the opposite end of the spectrum and trying to be NFL respectable again.   I get that.  But then Tepper paired the old dog coach up w/ some anomaly QB that would require Shanahan and unique weapons. 

It only made sense in the fact they GM was a franchise low and he helped build that vision. Good prospects walked from the set up they pitched, it's a recurring theme under Tepper. 

Frank got a huge payday and allowed that setup. It was a terrible hire from every angle. We went from giving complete control to a know nothing to too little control to a has been and the worst Panther GM ever. It was always going to be a poo build but boy did they excell at thr level of poo built with that one.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

He was Pete Carroll's passing game coordinator.  He was Pete Carroll's WR coach.  He was Pete Carroll's QB coach.   That's his coaching tree.   That's where he saw success.   You can't say that is meaningless......when he clearly took THAT knowledge and applied it to his OC gig in Tampa.  And we are seeing that here. 

I'm not giving him credit for anyone's work.  I'm just acknowledging how Dave Canales was made....and you literally can see how he has applied what he learned from Pete....in Tampa and now Carolina.  Because he is playing Pete Carroll Seattle ball (which was always west coast Foxball). 

 

And it sucks. He worked under Pete but he didn't design or call the plays. He followed Pete's process implemented Pete's concepts You cannot see any of that the last 2 years. A few deep shots does not indicate a west coast system. Canales was not good in Tampa when he had much better talent and he is no where near talented enough to take a incredible less talented team and make them better. 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

He was Pete Carroll's passing game coordinator.  He was Pete Carroll's WR coach.  He was Pete Carroll's QB coach.   That's his coaching tree.   That's where he saw success.   You can't say that is meaningless......when he clearly took THAT knowledge and applied it to his OC gig in Tampa.  And we are seeing that here. 

I'm not giving him credit for anyone's work.  I'm just acknowledging how Dave Canales was made....and you literally can see how he has applied what he learned from Pete....in Tampa and now Carolina.  Because he is playing Pete Carroll Seattle ball (which was always west coast Foxball). 

 

I think its telling (and a red flag) that Pete didnt promote him despite being this master offensive genius.  Pete knew, pete knew

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

And it sucks. He worked under Pete but he didn't design or call the plays. He followed Pete's process implemented Pete's concepts You cannot see any of that the last 2 years. A few deep shots does not indicate a west coast system. Canales was not good in Tampa when he had much better talent and he is no where near talented enough to take a incredible less talented team and make them better. 

Thr guy who beat him yesterday in his first HC game was a better OC in his one year in TB too. DC is still overrated but it looks like that should adjust as this goes along

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

And it sucks. He worked under Pete but he didn't design or call the plays. He followed Pete's process implemented Pete's concepts You cannot see any of that the last 2 years. A few deep shots does not indicate a west coast system. Canales was not good in Tampa when he had much better talent and he is no where near talented enough to take a incredible less talented team and make them better. 

I 100% see Pete Carroll's influence on  Canales O' in Tampa and now Carolina.   Canales is very much old school in terms of building out his offensive gameplan and play calling.  

  

[Jon Snow]

Just now, CRA said:

I 100% see Pete Carroll's influence on  Canales O' in Tampa and now Carolina.   Canales is very much old school in terms of building out his offensive gameplan and play calling.  

  

He's only built an offense here. He worked with players Tampa already had and used their current offense to run it. I'm not giving him credit for that. If he was some offensive guru he would be with Pete today. You are ignoring Canales because of how Young has turned out. Both are what they are and neither are going to cut it. 

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's only built an offense here. He worked with players Tampa already had and used their current offense to run it. I'm not giving him credit for that. If he was some offensive guru he would be with Pete today. You are ignoring Canales because of how Young has turned out. Both are what they are and neither are going to cut it. 

ignoring Canales?  I don't like anything Carolina has going on at essentially anywhere.  Owners, GM, HC, players.  

I don't think Canales is good.  I think he is a cheerleader that will need players to basically bail out his meh O.  And I would prefer he just be cheerleader HC and go hire someone to do his O for him.  I said that year 1 of Canales.  

 

 

[MechaZain]

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