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Mike kaye and josh graham on panthers issues


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1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

This is a pretty good commentary, though I think the whole comment on contradictory approaches glosses over / ignores the obvious: Canales is in not in charge of personnel outside the offense, and Bryce is SEVERELY limiting what they can do.

I would take too many words to say that. That’s about how I read it.

As to that option year, if they were going to trade him, wouldn’t it be desirable to have him controlled for 2026 and ‘27? 

That would be the only reason I could not go into a canniption fit over it. 
 

I hope Canales is doing his whisperer thing with Hooker because they way people are complaining he won’t get a chance to work with anyone decent. 
 

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6 minutes ago, strato said:

I would take too many words to say that. That’s about how I read it.

As to that option year, if they were going to trade him, wouldn’t it be desirable to have him controlled for 2026 and ‘27? 

That would be the only reason I could not go into a canniption fit over it. 
 

I hope Canales is doing his whisperer thing with Hooker because they way people are complaining he won’t get a chance to work with anyone decent. 
 

Wouldn't it be better to trade him after year three and let someone else decide to pick up his option? Hell I would be willing to eat his rookie contract for a 4th round pick. Thats how disgusted I am with the situation. 

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Just now, Jon Snow said:

Wouldn't it be better to trade him after year three and let someone else decide to pick up his option? Hell I would be willing to eat his rookie contract for a 4th round pick. Thats how disgusted I am with the situation. 

I don’t really know how that option thing works, and was unsure if it transferred with a trade unless we did it. Obviously your scenario a better option. 
 

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1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Im curious what the reaction would be if there was another benching. You had people who dont even watch football like that calling out the Panthers like lebron james for mistreating bryce. Lmao 

Who gives a fug? Tell Lebron to pick his bitch ass up off the floor and stop flopping when he's built like an NFL DE. Yeah, Bryce is a shitty NFL QB but he's a helluva lot tougher than Lebron James.

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36 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

it's always the ones you don't expect

five years from now we're going to be reading stunned reactions from Adam Thielen. "I just thought he liked to collect children's shoes. Yeah it was weird but everyone has hobbies, ya know?"

Lol those shoes were for him to wear. About a size 6 

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Just now, strato said:

I don’t really know how that option thing works, and was unsure if it transferred with a trade unless we did it. Obviously your scenario a better option. 
 

We picked up Sam's as soon as we traded for him so I thought it was possible. I remember many of us complaining about the fact that they did that before he even put in a Panthers uniform. If im not mistaken Sam was going into his 4th year of his rookie contract. 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

We picked up Sam's as soon as we traded for him so I thought it was possible. I remember many of us complaining about the fact that they did that before he even put in a Panthers uniform. If im not mistaken Sam was going into his 4th year of his rookie contract.

Yeah that’s right. I forgot about that. 
 

I liked Sam, but before he played… What a move.  

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Im curious what the reaction would be if there was another benching. You had people who dont even watch football like that calling out the Panthers like lebron james for mistreating bryce. Lmao 

You will see that and probably much more. Its the way people are now. Its all about getting attention for one reason or another. Amd it works as folks always fall for it.

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10 minutes ago, strato said:

You are supposed to be able to tell from Bryce Young? 
It’s like giving a chef dog food and expecting a seafood dinner. 

Geno Smith was a 10 year veteran when he finally had his breakout season with Canales as his….qb coach and passing game coordinator. Not his offensive coordinator. There’s no shortage of veteran qbs who finally had success in a good situation.

baker mayfield, former rookie of the year, looked fine after he had a conversation with Sean McVay. The Bucs offense was even better in 2024 with Canales. 

regardless of what are reasonable expectations for Bryce, the whole qb whisperer thing has been nonsense from the go. 

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