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The Bryce Young "Game Winning Drive" narrative needs to end

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15 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jake went to the Super Bowl his first season.  

Bryce has 1 road win in year 3.  

Bryce isn’t present day Jake 

Jake > Bryce but there were A LOT of games where Jake was carried by the defense and running game to offset his pick-sixes.

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5 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Jake > Bryce but there were A LOT of games where Jake was carried by the defense and running game to offset his pick-sixes.

Delhomme also played in an era where defenders could maul his WRs.  

And Delhomme was a gunslinger.  Which means you get the mix of BIG plays and costly plays with that.  Bryce still gives you the costly plays WITHOUT being a gunslinger….which is why he isn’t Jake

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54 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

More experience than any of us around here.

Point is, why not buy into that thinking instead of trying to point out how he's going to fail?  How does that benefit us?  

Root for him until it is over imo.  He's the guy.  I rooted for Teddy when he was here, and I can't stand his play style.

So does this apply to all players on the team or only the QB?

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3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So does this apply to all players on the team or only the QB?

Players showing promise.  I am not a Bryce hater.  He has shown enough to me to feel that other factors could be bringing him down, especially given our history.

I don't buy the he's not an NFL QB angle.  If he wasn't capable, there wouldn't be windows of perfection.

We invested heavily into him, and I don't see a logical move to change it right now.

So, for a few different reasons, right now, he is the guy.  I root for our guys.  I use Teddy as an example, because I hated when he was our QB, but he was still the guy.  I rooted for him while he was the guy, but was happy when he left, too.

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11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Delhomme also played in an era where defenders could maul his WRs.  

And Delhomme was a gunslinger.  Which means you get the mix of BIG plays and costly plays with that.  Bryce still gives you the costly plays WITHOUT being a gunslinger….which is why he isn’t Jake

I’m not saying Delhomme wasn’t better than Bryce. I’m saying the team he played on was 70% better. They were different style QBs but their stats are very similar. The only reason Jake was around that long was because we won games and usually at the last minute on GWDs.

 

 

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Players showing promise.  I am not a Bryce hater.  He has shown enough to me to feel that other factors could be bringing him down, especially given our history.

I don't buy the he's not an NFL QB angle.  If he wasn't capable, there wouldn't be windows of perfection.

We invested heavily into him, and I don't see a logical move to change it right now.

So, for a few different reasons, right now, he is the guy.  I root for our guys.  I use Teddy as an example, because I hated when he was our QB, but he was still the guy.  I rooted for him while he was the guy, but was happy when he left, too.

So it's all subjective to how you feel about a player and whether you think he show promise.  Others opinions don't matter

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3 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Players showing promise.  I am not a Bryce hater.  He has shown enough to me to feel that other factors could be bringing him down, especially given our history.

I don't buy the he's not an NFL QB angle.  If he wasn't capable, there wouldn't be windows of perfection.

We invested heavily into him, and I don't see a logical move to change it right now.

So, for a few different reasons, right now, he is the guy.  I root for our guys.  I use Teddy as an example, because I hated when he was our QB, but he was still the guy.  I rooted for him while he was the guy, but was happy when he left, too.

Well I am a Bryce hater. And if we are winning let things be. I don’t care what his stats are.

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1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

So it's all subjective to how you feel about a player and whether you think he show promise.  Others opinions don't matter

I don't think it is an opinion when the stats back it up.

If he was as garbage as people claim, he would not be capable of having 10/10 drives with 3 TDs and a perfect passer rating.

Someone compared him to Clausen.  That is just hate imo.  Not sure why.

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3 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I don't think it is an opinion when the stats back it up.

If he was as garbage as people claim, he would not be capable of having 10/10 drives with 3 TDs and a perfect passer rating.

Someone compared him to Clausen.  That is just hate imo.  Not sure why.

Even if he is decent going down the stretch taking 6 games to get to average is not acceptable

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Even if he is decent going down the stretch taking 6 games to get to average is not acceptable

There are too many factors to place this blame on Bryce.  It is a team game.  1 man is not going to make up for that.

It's not like we haven't seen this scenario play out already with Darnold and Mayfield.

Support him and keep building while he is the guy.  I see no value in hating on him.

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1 minute ago, BlazeCarolina said:

There are too many factors to place this blame on Bryce.  It is a team game.  1 man is not going to make up for that.

It's not like we haven't seen this scenario play out already with Darnold and Mayfield.

Support him and keep building while he is the guy.  I see no value in hating on him.

You can say that about every player on the team then.

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6 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

You can say that about every player on the team then.

You are going to see whatever you want.  You are just going to ignore the points I make, because you want to hate on the guy.

He's not Jimmy Clausen.  The guy shows perfection out there at times.  Why not give him the benefit of the doubt, especially when he is our only option right now, and we have seen this play out with other QBs?  Surely you don't think we are the best home for a QB?

Clearly he can win games when the cast supports him.

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4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Even if he is decent going down the stretch taking 6 games to get to average is not acceptable

The whole teams looks bad the first few weeks under Canales. I mean Reich’s whole team looked bad in 2023 but that was then. I think this new group struggles getting them ready in training camp/preseason for opening weeks.

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